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Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by cbd1984 »

oblio wrote: post #337
cbd1984 wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said their nice was small right now . I said that MSFT is not guaranteed a place at the Big Person table in every market forever. For example, when's the last time you saw someone using a MSFT mobile device?

.NET & Windows are used in the enterprise space, a lot. If mainframes are still around in enterprises, as a decent market (still worth billions of dollars), I imagine that .NET & Windows will still be around and probably still worth tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars, 20-30-40 years from now. There's no foreseeable threat to Microsoft in the enterprise, that market is roughly split in 3 between (mostly) cros…

Right. The enterprise is one market, but it isn't the only one. Owning it doesn't mean you own anything else. That's my whole point.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by tn13 »

inclemnet wrote: post #168
tn13 wrote: post #125

I am not sure why even in 2014 we have to pit Linux against Windows. We have surely grown out of that sort of debate. Microsoft successfully achieved its objective of putting a computer in every home with the help of Windows. We should thank them for that. Linux on other hand has grown leaps and bounds. Android after all is a linux kernel fork. I think as technology lovers we can surely love both and look at them as…

> I am not sure why even in 2014 we have to pit Linux against Windows. We have surely grown out of that sort of debate. I think it's unfair to frame any linux/windows debate as fundamentally childish. There are big differences between them, both philosophical and practical, in ways that have real impacts on the users.

I never said there are no differences but those differences are more like between a Business Suite and Bikini rather than Republican Party v/s Democratic Party.

Two different OSs which have a different view of the world and catering to different needs in different ways rather than something where their success is a zero sum game between them.

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Post by jnbiche »

mod wrote: post #301
jnbiche wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not having to reboot almost ever is also pretty nice.

Ubuntu forces a reboot on kernel upgrades fwiw.

I said almost. How often are you upgrading your kernel? Most of us don't upgrade very often.

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Post by pluma »

piyush_soni wrote: post #327
jenscow wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you'd prefer to be able to just double click to run any downloaded "executable"? But anyway, the problem you described is the fault of your vendor, not "Linux".

Yes, when I and the vendor both know it's supposed to be an executable. What a smart question. Also, an application is only as dumb as the OS allows it to be.

Here's how I installed Chrome/TeamViewer/VirtualBox/SublimeText3/etc:

I went to the website, downloaded a .deb file, double-clicked the downloaded file, clicked the big install button in the Ubuntu Software Center window that it spawned, entered my password, waiting a few seconds aaaaand it's installed. I can now run the application by clicking the big Ubuntu button on my sidebar (or pressing the Windows/symbol key) and typing in the first few letters of its name. I can optionally drag the icon to my sidebar for quicker access.

Here's how I installed the last couple of applications that didn't have a .deb file (mostly development builds of games and developer-targeted applications):

I went to the website, downloaded the .tar.gz/.tar.bz2/.zip file for my platform, double-clicked the downloaded archive to extract it to a new folder in my home folder, opened the folder and located and double-clicked the executable.

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Post by sundvor »

useerup wrote: post #64
sundvor wrote: post #46

Wow, what's next, ability to shift-ctrl+c & shift-ctrl+v text in the console just by default?

Indeed: http://www.techrepublic.com/article/command-prompt-improveme...

Thanks, that actually looks really good. No-fuss copy and paste, auto resizing windows, transparency, etc. All they needed to do was clone how terminals such as Ubuntu's does it ... and it looks like that's what they did. :) I've been waiting for this for quite some time.

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Post by sundvor »

snarfy wrote: post #202
sundvor wrote: post #46

Wow, what's next, ability to shift-ctrl+c & shift-ctrl+v text in the console just by default?

Try ConEmu. https://code.google.com/p/conemu-maximus5/ It's a real windows window, not that stupid /subsystem=console window.

Thanks, this actually looks really good! I've tried a few of the others but never found any to my liking. Appreciate that, cheers.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by mod »

jnbiche wrote: post #343
mod wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ubuntu forces a reboot on kernel upgrades fwiw.

I said almost . How often are you upgrading your kernel? Most of us don't upgrade very often.

Whenever the automatic update picks it up. So, basically all the time--every week or two, anyway.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by piyush_soni »

pluma wrote: post #344
piyush_soni wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, when I and the vendor both know it's supposed to be an executable. What a smart question. Also, an application is only as dumb as the OS allows it to be.

Here's how I installed Chrome/TeamViewer/VirtualBox/SublimeText3/etc: I went to the website, downloaded a .deb file, double-clicked the downloaded file, clicked the big install button in the Ubuntu Software Center window that it spawned, entered my password, waiting a few seconds aaaaand it's installed. I can now run the application by clicking the big Ubuntu button on my sidebar (or pressing the Windows/symbol key)…

Perforce, one of the very famous Source Control Systems tells us to install its software like this (Hint: making the executables 'executables'. On Windows it's a direct executable): http://www.perforce.com/perforce/doc.current/manuals/p4sag/c... . I remember because I did it very recently.

Thousands of other software do the same. Examples (compare the installation instructions for Windows v/s Linux/UNIX for all these pages below):

MOPEX [http://irsa.ipac.caltech.edu/data/SPITZER/docs/dataanalysist...]

Multibit [http://multibit.org/en/help/v0.5/help_installing.html ]

Octoshape [https://support.octoshape.com/entries/21488922-Octoshape-App...]

UNetbootin [http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/]

Tuxboot [http://tuxboot.org/installation/]

You listed a few major ones which work the desired way, while there's a sea of applications which make Linux still look archaic.

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