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This is the culture I was brought up in. This kind of article is the reason I grew up believing there was nothing wrong with homosexuality. Since every single other comment here is inevitably going to be some kind of applause and praise, let me briefly offer the perspective of some who have been silenced on HN and in the general tech world. We know that homosexuality is a destructive force in society. While we love T…

How exactly is someone being gay a "destructive force in society"?

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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This is the culture I was brought up in. This kind of article is the reason I grew up believing there was nothing wrong with homosexuality. Since every single other comment here is inevitably going to be some kind of applause and praise, let me briefly offer the perspective of some who have been silenced on HN and in the general tech world. We know that homosexuality is a destructive force in society. While we love T…

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This is the culture I was brought up in. This kind of article is the reason I grew up believing there was nothing wrong with homosexuality. Since every single other comment here is inevitably going to be some kind of applause and praise, let me briefly offer the perspective of some who have been silenced on HN and in the general tech world. We know that homosexuality is a destructive force in society. While we love T…

Yes, you will possibly be downvoted, but not because your opinion dissents with the majority. There are plenty of dissenting opinions on HN who get upvoted to the top, as long as they're well argued and informed. You will be downvoted because your comment has no substance to it. The only claim you make is "we know that homosexuality is a destructive force in society", and it isn't backed up by any meaningful conversa…

Precisely. And the inability to sustain this argument is why gay marriage bans are failing in court. The legal conclusion is that there isn't even a "rational basis" for the bans.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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This is the culture I was brought up in. This kind of article is the reason I grew up believing there was nothing wrong with homosexuality. Since every single other comment here is inevitably going to be some kind of applause and praise, let me briefly offer the perspective of some who have been silenced on HN and in the general tech world. We know that homosexuality is a destructive force in society. While we love T…

We know that homosexuality is a destructive force in society.

Who is "we"?

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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This is the culture I was brought up in. This kind of article is the reason I grew up believing there was nothing wrong with homosexuality. Since every single other comment here is inevitably going to be some kind of applause and praise, let me briefly offer the perspective of some who have been silenced on HN and in the general tech world. We know that homosexuality is a destructive force in society. While we love T…

"We know that homosexuality is a destructive force in society" - NOPE.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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This is the culture I was brought up in. This kind of article is the reason I grew up believing there was nothing wrong with homosexuality. Since every single other comment here is inevitably going to be some kind of applause and praise, let me briefly offer the perspective of some who have been silenced on HN and in the general tech world. We know that homosexuality is a destructive force in society. While we love T…

Who is "we"? How do you know? If you get downvoted, it won't be because of your opinion but rather your statement of something that is not backed up. Especially the part about "normal" sexuality -- how are you defining "normal", and why does it even matter? HN is all about "don't get a normal job, instead be a startup founder"... so why should everyone be "normal" (whatever that is) with their sexuality as well?

And about this "the evil one"... how do you know what his/her/its desires are?

I find it interesting that your HN Profile says this:

> Computer engineer and programming language pragmatist (as opposed to fanatic or over-principled).

...I wonder if you could apply those same principles to life in general?

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I am incredibly grateful to Cook for this, not least because of how it will affect young gay people. When I was a child, I felt generally good about myself. I was reasonably smart, well-spoken, curious, and so on, and I wanted to do something important with my life. Some nagging part of me suspected I was gay from very early on, but I resisted it intensely. I wasn't really afraid of being mistreated, although I proba…

It looks like we had similar experiences. I had no model of "gay" that resembled me, and almost everyone around me was aggressively straight. Even considering the idea of being gay made me uncomfortable. So much changed in the last year that I felt safe thinking about it, and it was obvious in retrospect.

Well, there's always Newton. We don't really know his sexual orientation, but it was probably either gay or asexual.

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post #342

This is the culture I was brought up in. This kind of article is the reason I grew up believing there was nothing wrong with homosexuality. Since every single other comment here is inevitably going to be some kind of applause and praise, let me briefly offer the perspective of some who have been silenced on HN and in the general tech world. We know that homosexuality is a destructive force in society. While we love T…

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Who are you to say what a "wrong" idea of sexuality is?

The One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church teaches so.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

#349

This is the culture I was brought up in. This kind of article is the reason I grew up believing there was nothing wrong with homosexuality. Since every single other comment here is inevitably going to be some kind of applause and praise, let me briefly offer the perspective of some who have been silenced on HN and in the general tech world. We know that homosexuality is a destructive force in society. While we love T…

Who is "we"? How do you know? If you get downvoted, it won't be because of your opinion but rather your statement of something that is not backed up. Especially the part about "normal" sexuality -- how are you defining "normal", and why does it even matter? HN is all about "don't get a normal job, instead be a startup founder"... so why should everyone be "normal" (whatever that is) with their sexuality as well? And…

Who is "we"?

Faithful members of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

And about this "the evil one"... how do you know what his/her/its desires are?

Our Church teaches us so.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a pretty offensive accusation. Like Cook points out, the US is still country in which gay people are subject to life-altering discrimination all the time. Most other countries are even worse. I suspect you're overestimating how accepted homosexuality is outside of your bubble.

How is that offensive? Clearly homosexuality is much closer to being mainstream as 20-30 or 50 years ago. TV Shows and movies and music trends all make it much more acceptable in the mainstream. All he is saying is that it was much more difficult for people back then to come out, much more than today. That being said, there is clearly some distance to go until it becomes egalitarian. That's how I interpreted the comm…

> TV Shows and movies and music trends all make it much more acceptable in the mainstream.

What you see in mainstream media is the mainstream-approved version, but it's nowhere close to representative. Queer As Folk had more diversity in representation in a few seasons than the decade of culture that followed it.

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