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Post by lmedinas »

mattzito wrote: post #227
lmedinas wrote: post #188

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Actually the problem is even worse because Brendan never expressed that he is anti-gay, he just sent a donation to activists "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." [1] And to me this does not represent that he is anti-gay. 1- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich

That seems like a difference without a distinction - if he believes that only marriage between a man and a woman should be valid or recognized in California, then by extension he believes that a marriage between two men, or two women, should not be valid in california. Which is advocating for not providing that right to same-sex indviduals. Which is anti-gay. If the ballot measure said, "Only votes cast by a white pe…

Dude, he expressed his opinion about the gay marriage like Tim Cook did about his beliefs in God and society. What's the difference ? It's just opinions! And people have to respect both! Also anti means that you are against something, and Brendan never expressed that he was against gays or even hated gays. He was just against gay marriage.

Suddenly being "gay" is cool and being "hetero" is not cool ?

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Post by dwild »

ForrestN wrote: post #235

I am incredibly grateful to Cook for this, not least because of how it will affect young gay people. When I was a child, I felt generally good about myself. I was reasonably smart, well-spoken, curious, and so on, and I wanted to do something important with my life. Some nagging part of me suspected I was gay from very early on, but I resisted it intensely. I wasn't really afraid of being mistreated, although I proba…

At first I didn't like the news. Tim Cook is gay, so what? I though 5 seconds about it and then I realized how actually we still need this... we still need to remind people that there's nothing wrong with being gay. That's sad that we are still at this point.

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Post by SG- »

Shivetya wrote: post #114
darrellsilver wrote: post #3

Why do you think he chose to come out now?

honestly I could care less. I really just don't care who is gay or not. I really don't give one whit to those who think its some special event when they do. your personal life, keep it personal, its no one's business and it certainly is not something to exploit for personal gain or to guilt another with

You either didn't read the article or simply failed to understand from the article why he did it. He's not trying to exploit anything for himself or his company but instead of the betterment of minorities.

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Post by greenpinguin »

ForrestN wrote: post #235

I am incredibly grateful to Cook for this, not least because of how it will affect young gay people. When I was a child, I felt generally good about myself. I was reasonably smart, well-spoken, curious, and so on, and I wanted to do something important with my life. Some nagging part of me suspected I was gay from very early on, but I resisted it intensely. I wasn't really afraid of being mistreated, although I proba…

well said. I think this is such a great symbolic moment. It's so hard to come to terms with your 'otherness' when you're young. The biggest step is admitting to yourself that you're different.

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Post by mkr-hn »

JeremyNT wrote: post #200
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #140

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Frozen. Had a Swedish guy (shop owner) living with another guy and they both had a bunch of kids. Described the other guy and kids as his "family." See point #5 in this article's list: http://mic.com/articles/79455/7-moments-that-made-frozen-the...

> Had a Swedish guy (shop owner) living with another guy and they both had a bunch of kids. Described the other guy and kids as his "family." This is quite a stretch. As the father of a young child I have seen Frozen more times than I am proud to admit, and while it could be that the large man in the sauna is the shopkeeper's husband, he could just as easily be the shopkeeper's son, while the smaller woman in the sce…

A minor throwaway moment in the life of a minor character is a huge improvement over the status quo of complete absence just a handful of years ago. There were gay characters in media, but most of them were walking stereotypes.

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Post by singletonaccnt »

[I had posted this as a reply to #8532324, with obviously a new account, since this subject is too dangerous to post about under my regular HN account. My comment was killed. It might be a sign this subject is too much of a taboo. I don't think that should be a criteria for killing a comment though; it is very on-topic. I hope it doesn't get killed now]

Coming out is an important event for any minority -- at least in the cases where the membership of the minority can be (or has to be) kept a secret. Not being able to tell anyone your true feelings can feel like an enormous burden, driving some people even to the point of suicide.

And like you say, it takes courage to be who you really are. To not feel the weight of your mask every day. For myself, I think it would be false courage in this day and age to 'come out' as a pedophile. 'Pedophile' here means that I feel emotionally and sexually attracted to children, just as gays have that attraction to men. A lot of people are immediately repulsed by that word, and just assume you are a monster and a child abuser/rapist. I think those stereotypes mainly exist because pedophiles are invisible in our society. It is very likely that everybody knows somebody with that orientation, but because it is so risky to 'come out' nobody recognizes that pedophiles are very regular people too.

I have come out to some very close friends and my parents, who luckily all accepted that I am who I am (I live in a European country, so that might help). I'm a bit gay as well, and I have a 5+ year relationship with my boyfriend, who also is a pedo (and somewhat more gay than I am).

Still, every time when I receive a compliment or encouragement from someone, a thought flashes through my mind: what if they knew who I 'really' am?

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Post by blktiger »

dodyg wrote: post #121
Jedd wrote: post #20

I wonder how carefully crafted this line was: ... I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. It seems a particularly odd thing to slip in, on so many levels.

Tim Cook is a Christian. This is a message to the Church.

I have a hard time thinking of anyone as Christian if they ignore the basic tenants of what the Bible says. Homosexuality is very clearly spelled out as wrong. So are plenty of other things of course and the Bible doesn't specify homosexual behavior as any more or less wrong than any other sinful act. Christians shouldn't be treating homosexuals any different than anyone else, but that includes letting people know that God views that behavior as sin.

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Post by s_q_b »

goatforce5 wrote: post #240
flexie wrote: post #21

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Everyone except me, apparently :-)

You subscription to Out magazine must have lapsed. He was their #1 most powerful gay man or woman in American last year: http://www.out.com/out-exclusives/power-50/2013/04/10/power-... I think it was one of those things where everyone knew it, but no one talked about it because it just wasn't that big a deal.

Because it isn't a big deal! I'm glad we're coming around to the reaction to a major public figure coming out is "meh."

Injustice won't be over the day little black boys and girls and little white boys play together. It will be over the day anyone even thinks anything of it. Unfortunately, we have both overt and covert (even accidental) discrimination still to deal with.

But our grandparents faced firehouses and dogs, while we face op-eds and Twitter feeds. For the first time in history we have the communications technology to bind humanity together into a single global people.

Someday there will be a gay president. Someday there will be a black female president. I hope that by the time that day comes, it will be little noted nor long remembered.

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Post by wefarrell »

ForrestN wrote: post #235

I am incredibly grateful to Cook for this, not least because of how it will affect young gay people. When I was a child, I felt generally good about myself. I was reasonably smart, well-spoken, curious, and so on, and I wanted to do something important with my life. Some nagging part of me suspected I was gay from very early on, but I resisted it intensely. I wasn't really afraid of being mistreated, although I proba…

"There hasn't been a gay President"

http://www.salon.com/2012/05/14/our_real_first_gay_president...

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