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Post by mcv »

rsynnott wrote: post #103
super_mario wrote: post #50

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God himself. Read your bible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_homosexuality

Biblical literalism is not as common as you seem to think it is...

It's actually a fairly recent invention. In the middle ages, various influential priests pointed out that if ever our observation of nature conflicts with our understanding of the bible, clearly our understanding of the bible is lacking.

From a Christian perspective, you could argue that Biblical Literalists have made their own interpretation of the bible into their idol, and closed their eyes to God's reality around them.

In any case, I personally consider Biblical Literalism one of the greatest threats to Christianity. It can only push people away from God.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by uid »

super_mario wrote: post #174
uid wrote: post #128

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I'm sorry to tell you this, but your ignorance of religion and monotheism is astounding. Reading your comments it is very apparent that you take any mention of a belief in God to mean a follower of the American branch of reformist protestant Christianity with biblical literalism. That is a very broad brush, as the fundamentalists literalists are a tiny part of Christianity and of broader monotheism. They make up abou…

You know I don't really care if people are literalist fundamentalist bible thumpers or unitarians, muslims or even deists. They are all wrong, and they all believe in things unsupported by evidence or completely debunked lies. I only care about what is true, and I don't have any reservations about telling people what they believe isn't true, esp. when they bring it out to the open and implicitly invite the discussion…

It doesn't surprise me that you also make an assumption about what I believe, considering you sprayed a dozen comments of bile about what Tim Cook believes based on almost nothing.

How about you drop the faux intellectual superiority and just accept what others choose to believe - be it their religious beliefs, political or sexual orientation?

That is the very definition of tolerance - and, ironically, the exact thing that Cook standing up for.

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Post by robin_reala »

cronin101 wrote: post #155
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #140

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Frozen. Had a Swedish guy (shop owner) living with another guy and they both had a bunch of kids. Described the other guy and kids as his "family." See point #5 in this article's list: http://mic.com/articles/79455/7-moments-that-made-frozen-the...

Unrelated clarification but, judging by the lutefisk, the shop owner is actually Norwegian and not Swedish. Just a heads up so you don't make the mistake in less forgiving Scandinavian company next time ;-)

What’s the differences between lutfish in Norway and Sweden? I’ve eaten it in southern Sweden with it presented to me as traditionally Swedish.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by ForrestN »

I am incredibly grateful to Cook for this, not least because of how it will affect young gay people.

When I was a child, I felt generally good about myself. I was reasonably smart, well-spoken, curious, and so on, and I wanted to do something important with my life. Some nagging part of me suspected I was gay from very early on, but I resisted it intensely. I wasn't really afraid of being mistreated, although I probably should have been. People were already calling me names so I wasn't worried about that. More important for me was my sense that being gay meant being marginal.

There hasn't been a gay President, and at least when I was a child there weren't many gay people visible to me at all. The image of gay people presented to me were not powerful, focused on frivolous things, and consumed by attitude and lifestyle. If I wanted to do something important, I couldn't possibly be gay. It just didn't fit.

Knowing that the CEO of not only the most powerful company, but also the most admirable company, is gay would have helped me enormously. I always wanted apple products even before I could afford them, and this would have meant a clearly visible path forward. I can't imagine how happy this must be making some confused young people, given how happy it's making me right now.

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Post by dragonwriter »

praptak wrote: post #108
DanBC wrote: post #102

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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_discrimination_law... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_discrimination_law...

Thanks. It seems it is the latter. In some states the list of things forbidden to discriminate on misses sexual orientation. The wording used in the article was closer to the former.

> In some states the list of things forbidden to discriminate on misses sexual orientation.

It doesn't miss it, that would imply an unintentional oversight. There might have been a time when it was just not something people thought of including (although the fact that homosexuality was often explicitly criminalized also suggests that was not the case), but by now there is no state where there has not been an effort to get such protections on the books, so it is, in every case where it is not explicitly protected, a deliberate exclusion.

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Post by crocowhile »

Jedd wrote: post #20

I wonder how carefully crafted this line was: ... I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. It seems a particularly odd thing to slip in, on so many levels.

In America you can come out as gay but perhaps not yet as atheist.

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Post by emodendroket »

aragot wrote: post #191
emodendroket wrote: post #180

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If your job was to blather on air day after day for however many hours you'd probably say a couple dumb things too. Everyone has "known" Tim Cook was gay forever so it's not a hard mistake to make.

How did everyone know? Or even, guess? I assume there are a few factors which generally correlate with being gay, such as never being seen dating a girl or trying to stick with gay fashions?

Well it was all over the media; I'm assuming through reports of people close to him?

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by emodendroket »

jacquesm wrote: post #196
emodendroket wrote: post #181

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To me this is like saying if you've ever written a bug into production software it should be career-limiting.

Disclosures of that nature are not at the same order as writing bugs into production software.

I disagree, which is why I chose that analogy.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by goatforce5 »

flexie wrote: post #21
s_q_b wrote: post #9

While everyone already knew, the act of public announcement is one of great meaning and catharsis. Coming out is an important event for a gay person, and for a prominent person such as Tim Cook, for our society as well. As an ally, congratulations for having the courage to be who you are.

Everyone except me, apparently :-)

You subscription to Out magazine must have lapsed. He was their #1 most powerful gay man or woman in American last year:

http://www.out.com/out-exclusives/power-50/2013/04/10/power-...

I think it was one of those things where everyone knew it, but no one talked about it because it just wasn't that big a deal.

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