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Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by kelvin0 »

lmedinas wrote: post #71
Void_ wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steal attention from Microsoft Band? :-)

And make the "Apple" brand away from PRISM, NSA and others not to mention that they want to keep the "cool" and "open" words attached to the "Apple" brand as well. Of course with all due respect to Tim Cook which opened for the first time and will probably inspire other people. But to me everything is connected. EDIT: For those who downvoted please explain what's wrong in this comment.

We should start our own club, I feel your pain ... ;-)

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Post by rouma7 »

one of the many things i appreciate the most about this essay is his sense of responsibility. its easy to see the leader of a large organization as an extraordinarily powerful individual, but he notes the seeming smallness of this announcement. he doesn't aim to change the world, but simply do his part. the last paragraph is so poignant because we all witness injustices and often act as bystanders. this is not a new phenomenon, but its important to remember to look at ourselves first and what we're each doing in our everyday lives

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Post by Spooky23 »

GI_Josh wrote: post #107
praptak wrote: post #96

I found this one very striking: "Still, there are laws on the books in a majority of states that allow employers to fire people based solely on their sexual orientation." Could anyone provide details? I wonder whether it is an explicit "Being gay is grounds for firing" or rather just plain lack of protection from firing for being gay?

I'm no expert, but I suspect this is just referring to work "at will" states, where you can be fired without being given a reason. Thus, it could actually be for anything: Your orientation, your work performance, that ugly shirt you wore yesterday. Doesn't matter.

Close, but no.

Sexual orientation isn't a protected class under Federal law. (See: http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/ )

State Human Rights Law in some states expands to incorporate other protected classes, including sexual orientation and transgendered status.

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Post by antirez »

Well played, this surely can help because even many of the homophobic idiots recognize in Tim Cook a role model, and can start questioning their ideas about diversity.

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Post by tommorris »

Jedd wrote: post #20

I wonder how carefully crafted this line was: ... I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. It seems a particularly odd thing to slip in, on so many levels.

Not particularly. Religious people frame things in religious terms.

I'm an atheist and a gay man. I think being gay is a good thing in my life. That is to say, if there were a pill I could take that would turn me straight, I wouldn't take it.

Despite harassment and discrimination (which still happens, even in happy tolerant cities like London—most recent incident, 3 weeks ago, someone shouting "queers!" out of the window while I was walking down the street late at night holding hands with a guy), the point is that in spite of huge amounts of cultural and religious programming to the opposite, a lot of gay people have found themselves embracing their sexuality and considering it not just a not-bad thing but an actively good thing in their life.

That's what Cook is getting at: that sentiment can be expressed in secular terms (like I just have) or in religious terms.

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Post by kelvin0 »

ABS wrote: post #47
kelvin0 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like a legit question, why down voted?

because it's explained in the article...

So the portrait painted by the article and it contents should always be taken at face value, without any nuances or context?Wouldn't that make the reader uncritical or even naive?

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Post by computerjunkie »

oneplusone wrote: post #202
computerjunkie wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>> seeing as the entire field is built on the work of a gay man. That's a rather inaccurate, cringe worthy and generic statement. If your saying only one person contributed to the field of computers in 2014, that's sad. We tend to glorify individuals in the eyes of media and forget [1]others who contributed to where we are today in technology. [1] http://www.computerhope.com/people/ - list of people who have contrib…

He is referring to Alan Turing I believe.

Thank you for the clarification.

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Post by logfromblammo »

stephenr wrote: post #193
general_failure wrote: post #171

While this is already known, this does show us the world is not black and white. Tricky the whole thing. Mozilla as a company fights for privacy and creates a lot of free software for the general good. But people couldn't stand it's CEO being anti-gay. Now we have the most dangerous (imo) company of all time whose CEO is gay. Ah, good times.

The most dangerous company of all time?

People of the bazaar fear those of the cathedral, because they can count the people entering the walled gardens, and many of them never emerge to trade in the agora ever again.

Apple has a big garden.

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