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super_mario wrote: post #116
venomsnake wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to recent comments from the Pope - he is something of a authority in the religious world I have heard, seems that God has no deep hatred for gays, was involved in the Big Bang and watched observantly life evolved. You don't really need a superficial reason to hate other humans, if your heart so desire.

They are certainly converging ever closer to the truth. They should just come out and say Jesus never existed as well, and they are not sure there is a god and apologize for being the biggest trolls in the history of humanity. Then they would gain some respect. This is the organization that to this day stays opposed to reason, advancement of science that meddles into research and politics and tells other people what…

> They are certainly converging ever closer to the truth.

What the pope said last week isn't a new position - the Catholic church and evolution have never been in conflict. There was no position for a long time while Catholic scientists worked on evolution, but it was formally accepted in 1950, which in terms of the Catholic church moving on an issue is pretty quick.

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Post by omonra »

aikah wrote: post #115
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #94

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Compared to which country that has never persecuted anyone for being gay?

This isnt a bigotery contest hey? I was talking from the point of view of someone who has the greatest respect for what Turing has done.I mean that's a shame that everything he has done for his country mattered very little when he was judged for being gay.

Bigotry is a wrong word to use (afaik) in a historical context. It simply means 'what we consider unacceptable by today's social norms'.

It was absolutely stupid and unjust (since most upper classes were involved in buggery in school anyways) - but calling it bigoted is like saying 'it was so yellow of them to do'.

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Post by LesZedCB »

pionar wrote: post #123
IkmoIkmo wrote: post #81

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Indeed, the mark of a well thought out and carefully crafted message that's not just personal, but also about necessary PR. If that's what it takes to get people on-board this generation, I don't mind. But I hope lines like that can be omitted one day. Doesn't it just look incredibly silly?

>Indeed, the mark of a well thought out and carefully crafted message that's not just personal, but also about necessary PR. If that's what it takes to get people on-board this generation, I don't mind. But I hope lines like that can be omitted one day. Doesn't it just look incredibly silly? Maybe he didn't want to omit it. Maybe it's not PR, but instead his actual feelings. Maybe he is religious. So, it's all cool a…

He's saying he hopes one day it's not a culturally jarring thing to say "I'm gay and I'm religious." That should just be normal and accepted.

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Post by rsynnott »

super_mario wrote: post #116
venomsnake wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to recent comments from the Pope - he is something of a authority in the religious world I have heard, seems that God has no deep hatred for gays, was involved in the Big Bang and watched observantly life evolved. You don't really need a superficial reason to hate other humans, if your heart so desire.

They are certainly converging ever closer to the truth. They should just come out and say Jesus never existed as well, and they are not sure there is a god and apologize for being the biggest trolls in the history of humanity. Then they would gain some respect. This is the organization that to this day stays opposed to reason, advancement of science that meddles into research and politics and tells other people what…

> They should just come out and say Jesus never existed as well

Most historians are of the opinion that Jesus DID exist (though, obviously not that he was the son of God).

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

meowface wrote: post #127
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #87

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(Assuming you're talking about in the Western world) Do you not see a difference between being gay and being white? Really? Is it not obvious that one group has been historically repressed, attacked, discriminated against, etc. by its 'counter group', whilst the other has been the oppressor? These are about the most simplistic facts in social history, so I find it very difficult to believe you unaware of them; it see…

I actually think he makes a reasonable point, if you read his last sentence carefully. Realistically, it doesn't make much sense to be "proud" of being gay, just like it doesn't make sense to be "proud" of being white. It makes sense to be proud for staying strong in the face of discrimination and hate speech, but being gay itself is not worthy of any pride.

In this context, when someone says they are "proud to be gay", I think they are strongly inferring the "staying strong in the face of discrimination" aspect since, unfortunately, that's pretty much a given. Also, historically, people have thought being gay is something to be 'ashamed' of, and I think this use of 'proud' is in contrast to that - cf. gay pride marches. No one ever thought being white was something to be ashamed of.

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Post by wozniacki »

wozniacki wrote: post #52

One has to wonder how - in this world filled with anonymity enabling services like Tor or even Pastebin - it is still possible to hide a secret, out in the open. This is old news. Felix Salmon spelled it out in no uncertain terms when Mr.Cook was first named CEO, in 2011. [1] The best place to hide something - not that Mr.Cook himself wanted his sexuality hidden; he merely did not want it to grab all the attention, a…

Huh!

What reason would you have to find even this observation disagreeable?

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Post by downandout »

driverdan wrote: post #130
downandout wrote: post #67

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>There are undoubtedly many people who will no longer purchase Apple products because of this I disagree. First, I think it was widely assumed that he was gay, and if it wasn't, he was accidentally outed during a live TV broadcast a few months ago by a CNBC reporter [1]. Second, the people that think this way probably already avoid Apple products, as both Tim Cook and Apple have been vocal on gay rights for quite som…

> I think it was widely assumed that he was gay By who, Apple fanboys? Your average person probably doesn't even know who is Apple's current CEO let alone that he's gay.

Tech media mainly.

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Post by melling »

venomsnake wrote: post #113
super_mario wrote: post #32

So Tim just came out an idiot. He thanks god for making him gay, the same god who hates gays decided in his infinite wisdom to make him an object he hates. If he does not see the irony in that statement, then I have to wonder about the intelligence of the person.

According to recent comments from the Pope - he is something of a authority in the religious world I have heard, seems that God has no deep hatred for gays, was involved in the Big Bang and watched observantly life evolved. You don't really need a superficial reason to hate other humans, if your heart so desire.

How did he come to that conclusion? What changed? The story for over 2000 years was quite different in most religious organizations. If they had come to that conclusion any number of years ago, people might not have felt the need to hide it. Furthermore, people like Alan Turing might have had a much better life.

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

aikah wrote: post #115
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Compared to which country that has never persecuted anyone for being gay?

This isnt a bigotery contest hey? I was talking from the point of view of someone who has the greatest respect for what Turing has done.I mean that's a shame that everything he has done for his country mattered very little when he was judged for being gay.

OK, maybe I mis-read your original comment. It came across as being very anti-UK:

"That's one of the greatest shame of UK,it symbolizes bigotery in its purest form."

but I accept I might have read stronger sentiment into that than was intended.

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Post by gmays »

Jedd wrote: post #20

I wonder how carefully crafted this line was: ... I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. It seems a particularly odd thing to slip in, on so many levels.

I guess it depends on how you look at it. He's a "son of the South" and a self-described religious man, so this makes sense.

But this also makes sense from a PR perspective because according to American political polls being an atheist is "worse" than being black, gay, a women, etc. It's apparently largely unforgivable to be godless.

So, some may be surprised to learn he's gay, but then take some solace in the fact that he still praises the same god they do. In a way this is the perfect way to assuage the exact audience this revelation might offend because, you know, God loves all his children.

This really won't be a big deal. Some extreme groups will make some noise, but that's about it. I was in the Marine Corps when they repealed Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Everyone thought it'd be a big deal. They repealed it...nobody cared.

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