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Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Why do you think he chose to come out now?

Steal attention from Microsoft Band? :-)

And make the "Apple" brand away from PRISM, NSA and others not to mention that they want to keep the "cool" and "open" words attached to the "Apple" brand as well.

Of course with all due respect to Tim Cook which opened for the first time and will probably inspire other people.

But to me everything is connected.

EDIT: For those who downvoted please explain what's wrong in this comment.

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The "skin of a rhinoceros" - I liked that the most, as it reflects the development one makes when being part of a minority, no matter if it is sexual, financial ethnical or political nature.

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If they won't buy Apple products because the CEO is gay, they probably shouldn't buy any computers at all, seeing as the entire field is built on the work of a gay man.

If there is a standard distribution of gay men and women in the population, wouldn't that be true of any product? Sure, it could be higher in tech fields however there is a high probability of a gay man or woman building most the products we use.

If you want to take the statistical approach, then you could also say that there exists a nonzero probability that it is not the case :)

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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I wonder how carefully crafted this line was: ... I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. It seems a particularly odd thing to slip in, on so many levels.

That jarred me too.

I recently spoke to some gay religious people and it struck me as very odd. I'm biased, of course. I tend to think religion gets far more forgiveness than it deserves in a huge number of contexts. It was interesting though, in a bunch of ways.

When I hear a statement like this it makes me think of Africans converting to Mormonism or Jews joining European far right movements. I realize that there are perspectives through which this is not contradictory. Mormonism had views of Africans that only lagged behind mainstream opinions by a decade or two. The far right parties are more interested in Islam or African migration these days…

Still, I can't help it. It give me the heebie jeebies.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they won't buy Apple products because the CEO is gay, they probably shouldn't buy any computers at all, seeing as the entire field is built on the work of a gay man.

Konrad Zuse was not gay.

I think he is talking about Alan Turing.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Who said his god hates gays?

God himself. Read your bible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_homosexuality

I don't see anything about any Gods hating gays. Levictus compares men having sex with other men being as big of a sin as cursing your parents or having sex with a woman during her periods, and later in Sodom God decides to murder a town for their lack of charity.

I guess you could reach and say that God hates sinners and homosexuals are committing a sin, but that's pretty silly at least in Christianity everyone is a sinner.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said his god hates gays?

God himself. Read your bible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_homosexuality

People believe in more than one God. Sometimes, even the same person believes in more than one God.

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Being in such a progressive community (i.e. young nerdy people), it's easy to forget that this is an enormous deal for some people. A friend of mine recently came out as transgender and the general response was "oh, cool, good for you". It's hard to fathom what it's like for people who aren't in such a supportive environment. There are undoubtedly many people who will no longer purchase Apple products because of this…

There seems to have been a cultural shift in the United States as of lately. Just a few years back most companies was afraid of "choosing" side, and kept things pretty neutral. But look at recent Disney movies and Coca-Cola commercials. They all give the impression that from a marketing perspective it's better to take a stand.

Not a recent cultural shift, but one that has been steadily making headway over a very long time. A recent tipping point, perhaps.

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At the risk of going down an off-topic rabbit hole... There really is only irony if this god actually hates gays (I'm assuming we're talking about your usual run of the mill Abrahamic deity). It may well be that Tim's theology is a bit more sophisticated.

Sure, isn't that what every believer does, picks out the parts they like and ignore the ones they don't, showing once more they are their own moral guide and they know better than their god what is good and what is not. I wouldn't go as far as call it sophisticated. Sophisticated would be seeing the bronze age ramblings for bullshit that it is and devoting your life to learning what we actually do know of the univers…

> I wouldn't go as far as call it sophisticated. Sophisticated would be seeing the bronze age ramblings for bullshit that it is and devoting your life to learning what we actually do know of the universe we live in.

I don't know about you super_mario, but it looks like Tim is doing a pretty good job with respect to learning about the universe we live in. On the face of it, certainly better than me.

Also, I don't have a dog in this fight, but it may not be a matter of 'knowing better than their god'. It may be that his interpretation of whatever holy books he has read has given him whatever his beliefs are, like every other Christian. Those beliefs however, may well not be at odds with what you assume. We can't say his beliefs are bronze age bullshit - we don't know what they are so we're particularly badly placed to judge, even if judging in this situation was somehow valuable. We would just be adding another belief to the stack which helps no-one.

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