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Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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I was confused by that, too. But it's hardly on the level of Windows PCs.

I find it far more frustrating on Android, though, as with Windows I get root so I can remove them.

Another benefit of the Nexus program is that it's trivial to achieve root, so you can easily get to the point of removing even the small amount of bundled crapware.

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To be honest, it was kinda funny. I don't see why we can't find it humorous that year after year someone says that the next year will be a year of Linux. I love Linux - been using it for several years and wouldn't trade it for anything (be it OS X or Win with package manager). Package manager is certainly an awesome thing, but not something that would make me (and probably anyone else using Linux) to switch over.

Yesterday I had to update my rarely used Windows partition and install some software for work. Virus/Firewall updates, Windows updates, Java updates, repeated forced reboots (four times in total) and playing hunt and peck with all these 'suspicious behaviour' popups, remembering to untick the 'install dodgy toolbar' checkboxes. I'm starting to feel that a decent package manager is the main reason I continue to use Li…

The forced reboots thing in Windows is nuts. I installed from Windows 8 media a while back, and to get from that to an up-to-date installation of Windows 8.1 requires a seemingly endless loop of "Check for updates. Install. Reboot. Check for more updates that didn't show up last time!"

It's like nobody has told MS about cumulative updates. You can install OS 10.9.0 and go straight through to 10.9.5 with a single update.

Maybe this comes from their "enterprisey" system of releasing everything as individual little patches so that IT can decide what to install and what to skip, but it's a nightmare for normal users.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Yesterday I had to update my rarely used Windows partition and install some software for work. Virus/Firewall updates, Windows updates, Java updates, repeated forced reboots (four times in total) and playing hunt and peck with all these 'suspicious behaviour' popups, remembering to untick the 'install dodgy toolbar' checkboxes. I'm starting to feel that a decent package manager is the main reason I continue to use Li…

Not having to reboot after updates is my favorite part of Linux so far.

Not having to reboot almost ever is also pretty nice.

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Do you have a positive experience with CoApp? Mine has been overwhelmingly negative: it does not appear to work, does not appear to be maintained and does not appear to be supported. I've been trying to get somebody to provide even a little bit of support for Native Nuget packages via CoApp for months : http://stackoverflow.com/q/24331880/729881

I'm afraid to say that I haven't had a positive experience either, but I was just interested in CoApp out of curiosity: I tried to see if it was doable to use it to package pure Python (or other interpreters) libraries. Obviously it was not ready yet, but I wasn't really let down: I seldom use Windows, so I don't have any real need for it, and my perception was that with some more months/years it would get there. But…

I'm also very optimistic about OneGet. I do think it's a worthwhile endeavor (and I think CoApp is worthwhile.) My frustration comes when Microsoft builds a technology and gives it a web page and open sources it and... promptly ignores it.

I hope my criticisms of CoApp / Native Nuget did not transfer to a criticism of OneGet - my suspicion is that CoApp is abandoned simply because Garrett doesn't have time to both work one CoApp and OneGet. (It's also possible that OneGet deprecates CoApp.)

Certainly I understand all these problems - as you note, I am a Microsoftie as well, so I'm very familiar with having too much to do and not enough time to do it - and I've abandoned a few projects myself. But I'm not happy about that.

As for your question about being at Microsoft: I'm not across the ocean but I do happen to be on the other side of the country. I suspect I could have gotten a reply if I sent an email from my microsoft.com account (even if that reply was "sorry, don't have time") but I sort of hate throwing that around since it feels unfair to the rest of the community trying to use it.

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> Good package management on Linux is owed largely to the tireless voices such as Stallman I thought it was due to the people designing the package managers. The people who run the repos Stallman-like end up shipping IceWeasel and Chromium and telling long boring stories to someone who just wanted Firefox and Chrome.

It was not the decision of debian to rebrand Firefox. Mozilla forced them to. Debian wanted to be able to ship security patches whenever they pleased, Mozilla required that they shipped Firefox stock, even if that meant waiting for Mozilla to approve security patches. Chrome is not open source. Chrome tracks you. Chromium is open source and does not track you. Other than the slight branding differences, a user would…

I think you missed the point.

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Given that more android devices are sold than windows, iOS and OS X combined, I would say it is a mere observation of fact that the past few years every year has been the year of linux. Linux on the desktop on the other hand...

If we combine BSD and Linux, it's actually not so bad. * Globally, Android pretty much owns the mobile market. Android is a Linux. * Most servers run some flavour of Linux or BSD. * Although Windows still dominates the desktop market, a healthy share of the laptop market belongs to OS X, which is (partially) based on BSD. This isn't exactly how the Open Source crowd envisioned "Linux on the desktop", but if the goal…

Android's base source is released under Apache 2. Is that not free as in freedom? Cyanogen Mod (among many other distros of Android) would not exist if it wasn't.

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You'd be amazed how big that small niche is. Quite a lot of people like .NET development.

.NET is massive. Just look for job listings. C# gets more money over here in the UK than C++, with there being far far far more jobs using C# and .NET. Also, just look at how many developer jobs there are in Windows-land versus Linux-land: you hardly ever see Linux development jobs apart from embedded development. Windows is huge.

Most web development/back-end-services/java jobs are technically linux development if C# jobs are windows development right?

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It was not the decision of debian to rebrand Firefox. Mozilla forced them to. Debian wanted to be able to ship security patches whenever they pleased, Mozilla required that they shipped Firefox stock, even if that meant waiting for Mozilla to approve security patches. Chrome is not open source. Chrome tracks you. Chromium is open source and does not track you. Other than the slight branding differences, a user would…

I think you missed the point.

... that wanting to deliver security fixes faster than upstream is bad?

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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> Find-Package

> Install-Package

Dashes and uppercase...what terrible names. Is the windows shell case sensitive (I seem to recall it is but it may have changed)? We've been designing command line interfaces for over half a century now, this is just lazy. Shells are not magically exempt from UI best practices just because they're not graphical.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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> Find-Package > Install-Package Dashes and uppercase...what terrible names. Is the windows shell case sensitive (I seem to recall it is but it may have changed)? We've been designing command line interfaces for over half a century now, this is just lazy. Shells are not magically exempt from UI best practices just because they're not graphical.

It's not case sensitive in terms of execution, this is just how they are stylized: "Verb-Noun" is the standard format for PowerShell commands (or "cmdlets", to use their terminology).
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