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Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by shawabawa3 » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 1:08 PM UTC

vomitcuddle wrote: post #205

pjc50 wrote: post #175

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Microsoft Security Essentials is actively trying to put them out of business. I had the impression that it was the OEMs who liked bundling terrible software. I was looking at tablet PCs and they have some marketing term for "verified by Microsoft not to contain preinstalled crapware". Android doesn't have that.

>Android doesn't have that Android has Nexus and Google Play Edition phones.

The Nexus comes with some HP printer crapware that can't be removed without rooting (My Nexus 5 did at least)

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by 72deluxe » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 1:09 PM UTC

JetSpiegel wrote: post #193

72deluxe wrote: post #157

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We were looking to replace our ancient Exchange server with an Open-Source equivalent but nothing has a feature-parity. Nothing has the widespread support as Exchange: ability to fetch on all mobiles, widespread desktop protocol support (not just IMAP but you know, that Exchangey binary protocol), a web interface etc. etc. etc. It just is a massive continued success, although from my migration from 2003 to 2010 and s…

You tell me that only Exchange can work with their own binary protocol? I'm shocked! Evolution can understand it, as I recall, and Red Hat has a server side component too, I don't recall the name now.

Haha yes, but they also have their RPC over HTTP method if you don't want to use the binary protocol, plus the ActiveSync method, plus the SMTP and POP3 interfaces, plus the widely utilised Web layer that was rewritten after 2003 - I think most of the Exchange clients on mobiles use this.

The ability to reset mobiles devices from within Exchange when a device gets pinched and to enforce keylocks on mobile devices is a great feature that I can't find anywhere else at such a low OS level.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by crdoconnor » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 1:18 PM UTC

Joeri wrote: post #84

girvo wrote: post #82

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> ...someone says that the next year will be a year of Linux. Who says that unironically in 2014, though?

Given that more android devices are sold than windows, iOS and OS X combined, I would say it is a mere observation of fact that the past few years every year has been the year of linux. Linux on the desktop on the other hand...

>Linux on the desktop on the other hand...

Will happen when Microsoft's ability to strong-arm hardware manufacturers using restrictive OEM licenses is diminished.

MS actually seems to prefer a scorched earth policy (destroying the laptop/desktop markets entirely) to allowing Linux to gain anything more than a token foothold.

We can see this by the way they scuppered 'desktop linux' by co-opting and ultimately destroying the netbook market in 2007 (by enforcing OEM licensing terms that crippled netbook specs - prohibiting giving them anything more than 2GB of RAM for instance).

We can see it again by the way they pushed UEFI / secureboot on manufacturers - a clear attempt at creating Windows lock-in that largely worked.

2007 would have been the year of the desktop were it not for this anti-competitive behavior by MS.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by forgotpasswd3x » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 1:20 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #175

nailer wrote: post #141

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I'm not really sure that relationship with AV vendors is as strong these days for MS to harm Windows UX.

Microsoft Security Essentials is actively trying to put them out of business. I had the impression that it was the OEMs who liked bundling terrible software. I was looking at tablet PCs and they have some marketing term for "verified by Microsoft not to contain preinstalled crapware". Android doesn't have that.

Microsoft Security Essentials hasn't been testing as well as competitor AVs now for a few years. Also, MSE has been deprecated and replaced by Windows Defender, even though it seems that only the name has changed.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by UnoriginalGuy » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 1:24 PM UTC

chippy wrote: post #211

But will it have sudo, or would you run PowerShell as Administrator?

Windows has runas and has since Windows NT 4.0. Maybe you should educate yourself instead of making incorrect snarky comments?

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by eli » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 1:25 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #175

nailer wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really sure that relationship with AV vendors is as strong these days for MS to harm Windows UX.

Microsoft Security Essentials is actively trying to put them out of business. I had the impression that it was the OEMs who liked bundling terrible software. I was looking at tablet PCs and they have some marketing term for "verified by Microsoft not to contain preinstalled crapware". Android doesn't have that.

MSE has been merged into Windows/discontinued. It will not install or run on Windows 8.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by treerock » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 1:31 PM UTC

Ronsenshi wrote: post #79

Yuioup wrote: post #69

Sorry, penguin lovers — if you thought that 2015, in the heinous wake of Windows 8, would finally be the year of desktop Linux, you were sadly mistaken. If you’ve ever ventured into the dark and mysterious land of Linutopia, where Ubutologists and Debianites reign, ... Wow what a snarky article! I guess Extremetech does not like Linux at all...

To be honest, it was kinda funny. I don't see why we can't find it humorous that year after year someone says that the next year will be a year of Linux. I love Linux - been using it for several years and wouldn't trade it for anything (be it OS X or Win with package manager). Package manager is certainly an awesome thing, but not something that would make me (and probably anyone else using Linux) to switch over.

Yesterday I had to update my rarely used Windows partition and install some software for work.

Virus/Firewall updates, Windows updates, Java updates, repeated forced reboots (four times in total) and playing hunt and peck with all these 'suspicious behaviour' popups, remembering to untick the 'install dodgy toolbar' checkboxes.

I'm starting to feel that a decent package manager is the main reason I continue to use Linux.

/rant

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by bovermyer » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 1:37 PM UTC

progman wrote: post #199

JetSpiegel wrote: post #186

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Can you install Android on a desktop? Then it's not a desktop OS. It's quite simple.

http://www.android-x86.org

I'll give you points for tenacity, but Android was never intended to be used on desktop computers. The link you give is just a hobby project, nothing more.

And since we're being pedantic here, let's talk about definitions. A mobile operating system is one that has been designed primarily for devices intended to be carried on one's person, such as a phone or tablet. A desktop operating system is one that has been designed primarily for devices that are large enough to be stationary during use (e.g., workstations). Both form factors have unique requirements and capabilities, and need vastly different user interfaces.

Further, you seem to be arguing that the kernel (and only the kernel) is what defines an operating system. If that's the case, then Android can only properly be described as a fork of Linux, not Linux itself.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by talles » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 1:43 PM UTC

Presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAMEVMO4IRY

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by tyho » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 2:10 PM UTC

nailer wrote: post #146

logn wrote: post #86

> and who knows, that might just trigger some kind of revolution in Windows app management Free trials of un-tar? Installing apps that require subscriptions to the cloud? Dev libraries that require enterprise support packages? Good package management on Linux is owed largely to the tireless voices such as Stallman who understand the core issues here. Yes, tying together install scripts and maintaining repositories re…

> Good package management on Linux is owed largely to the tireless voices such as Stallman I thought it was due to the people designing the package managers. The people who run the repos Stallman-like end up shipping IceWeasel and Chromium and telling long boring stories to someone who just wanted Firefox and Chrome.

It was not the decision of debian to rebrand Firefox. Mozilla forced them to. Debian wanted to be able to ship security patches whenever they pleased, Mozilla required that they shipped Firefox stock, even if that meant waiting for Mozilla to approve security patches.

Chrome is not open source. Chrome tracks you. Chromium is open source and does not track you. Other than the slight branding differences, a user would not know the difference.

How are these slight changes an issue?