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Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Having a package manager is one thing, having a good curated repo of packages is another. I doubt MS Will have the balls to say that all their "partners" (most of the AV vendors, Oracle, ...) whose entire business model is based on crapware or bait & switch will somehow be banned from the repo? Currently it seems that both the apt and choclatey versions of Java actually come without crapware. I have a feeling that if…

OneGet comes with Chocolatey as a repository pre-installed for now - not sure if it will when Windows 10 releases, but I'm sure the repository won't be hard to install.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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I guess this either means that you either think that those 85% are running Android on their desktop computers, or that you have a different idea of what a "desktop system" is than anyone else. Android isn't a desktop system except for a select few masochists. Personally, I want my desktop system to be a real power horse, and despite being built on top of GNU/Linux, Android doesn't seem like a particularly open enviro…

I guess with "desktop system" you actually mean PC desktops. In my definition a desktop system is a system on a desktop. In the past decades this meant PCs but in the last couple of years many users chose tablets as their favorite desktops. They just replaced their PC desktops by mobile desktops for gaming, surfing and emails. On the PC desktop world Windows is still leading with Win7 and XP, followed by OSX, followe…

OK, since your definition seems remove every aspect of "desktop system" that makes it a meaningful distinction, we'll just have to agree to disagree here. As for linux on PC desktop, competitive in what sense? I prefer a good Linux based OS over Windows any day, but in terms of market share, it's just a ridiculous thing to say.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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I guess this either means that you either think that those 85% are running Android on their desktop computers, or that you have a different idea of what a "desktop system" is than anyone else. Android isn't a desktop system except for a select few masochists. Personally, I want my desktop system to be a real power horse, and despite being built on top of GNU/Linux, Android doesn't seem like a particularly open enviro…

It's not built on top of GNU/Linux, but on top of Linux. If you count using GCC and binutils as GNU part then we should start calling things Intel/Linux if someone uses ICC and other funny things.

Thanks, I didn't know that it didn't have GNU user space programs.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Given that more android devices are sold than windows, iOS and OS X combined, I would say it is a mere observation of fact that the past few years every year has been the year of linux. Linux on the desktop on the other hand...

Android actually _is_ a Linux desktop system. It is a GUI on top of a Java based virtual machine on top of a Linux kernel. This Linux desktop has actually overthrown both Windows and iOS. The market share was 85% in Q2 2014 according to: http://thenextweb.com/google/2014/07/31/android-reached-reco... Android just uses another type of input than classical keyboards and mice. But you can also use keyboards and mice her…

I think we should differentiate between desktop and other uses.

If it is just (any flavour/use) of Linux vs (any flavour/use) of Windows, then I think the vast majority of people use Linux more than Windows. Routers, TV-decoders (and most of the streaming servers they use for on-demand content), NAS for home use, phones, etc all use Linux.

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Just hope that oracle doesn't try to sneak install the ask toolbar with every update.

Is there a reason why we have fewer of those problems with Mac OS X? I can see that the Windows audience often isn't tech-savvy enough to understand that Ask isn't part of Windows, and that's probably also because Chrome/Firefox/Safari are more diligent about managing extensions than IE. But there's a very serious constant problem of spyware/adware in Windows that I don't feel exists in Mac OS X and Linux.

Because the markets are too small. Windows is what, 90%+ market share? Why spend n2 or n3 times the effort (as a malware writer) when the absolute highest upshot is a single-digit percentage ?

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Cool, but will you still have to restart your computer every time you install something?

every time seems exaggerated (given that even something major as Visual Studio installs without requiring a restart). Would be like saying Debian always needs a restart after a bunch of updates. Yes it does sometimes, it doesn't on other times. tip if you want even less restarting on Windows after installing (and less registry rot): always look for portable versions, if you can't find them first just try to get it yo…

Which version do you have of VS that installs without requiring a restart? Because I have vs2013 ultimate and each time I install it in a new machine I have to restart it (maybe two times if I have also to activate hyper-v)

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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I am not sure why even in 2014 we have to pit Linux against Windows. We have surely grown out of that sort of debate. Microsoft successfully achieved its objective of putting a computer in every home with the help of Windows. We should thank them for that. Linux on other hand has grown leaps and bounds. Android after all is a linux kernel fork. I think as technology lovers we can surely love both and look at them as…

> I am not sure why even in 2014 we have to pit Linux against Windows. We have surely grown out of that sort of debate.

I think it's unfair to frame any linux/windows debate as fundamentally childish. There are big differences between them, both philosophical and practical, in ways that have real impacts on the users.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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To be honest, it was kinda funny. I don't see why we can't find it humorous that year after year someone says that the next year will be a year of Linux. I love Linux - been using it for several years and wouldn't trade it for anything (be it OS X or Win with package manager). Package manager is certainly an awesome thing, but not something that would make me (and probably anyone else using Linux) to switch over.

> ...someone says that the next year will be a year of Linux. Who says that unironically in 2014, though?

Author here. I was being ironic :)

I'm an equal-opportunities OS user. I have two Linux boxes (Slackware!), two Windows boxes, and an OS X laptop within arm's reach of my desk. I was just poking fun at the Year of Desktop Linux thing -- it's a bit of a meme/running joke in tech blogger circles.

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> ...someone says that the next year will be a year of Linux. Who says that unironically in 2014, though?

Given that more android devices are sold than windows, iOS and OS X combined, I would say it is a mere observation of fact that the past few years every year has been the year of linux. Linux on the desktop on the other hand...

> Linux on the desktop on the other hand

As most android devices are handheld, "the desktop on the hand" is now a thing in my mind. It makes sense - so much communication and scheduling happens on the handheld device.

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