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Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Someone at work told me Windows 10 is also going to have virtual desktops. Haven't verified. I did play with a release preview of 10. It was actually OK in a brief 5 minute survey. I won't ever use it for day to day stuff, (I'm a Linux user), but its nice to see them at least appearing to make an effort. I think most of us in the field are at some level negatively impacted when Microsoft engages in evil/stupid behavi…

How to Use Virtual Desktops in Windows 10 http://www.howtogeek.com/197625/how-to-use-virtual-desktops-...

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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post #118

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My point here was mostly that instpkg32.exe /DefaultSettings:ALL_DEFAULTS is something that doesn't really exist anymore for management tools on Windows, except those that have been around for a long time. Even the GUIs on Windows Server nowadays just drive a PowerShell runspace behind the scenes and you can script just as easily as click around. Install-Package is a PowerShell cmdlet and thus gets sane and consisten…

Sane and consistent are two words I would never use with Powershell. Well, it's consistently insane, but I imagine that's not a typo. Or-Do-You-Enjoy-Over-Verbose-Capitals-And-Dashes-As-You-Enjoy-Shift-Ballet?

You know, eg, Get-Process is `ps` and nearly every common command has two or three character aliases?

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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IBM's the same way. Doesn't mean it will forever be relevant beyond a small niche.

You'd be amazed how big that small niche is. Quite a lot of people like .NET development.

.NET is massive. Just look for job listings. C# gets more money over here in the UK than C++, with there being far far far more jobs using C# and .NET.

Also, just look at how many developer jobs there are in Windows-land versus Linux-land: you hardly ever see Linux development jobs apart from embedded development. Windows is huge.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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As simple as it seems, this single failing has been my primary reason for outright dismissing Windows as a reasonable contender for server usage, no matter what else Microsoft might do to make it attractive for a variety of server tasks. A system that cannot be updated easily without human intervention is not a system that deserves a place in any data center.

Well I take it you have never maintained a 10k+ installation of Windows machines then? How do you imagine this is done? An army of sysadmins going from PC to PC and manually clicking through installation dialogues?

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Huh, I haven't done that since Vista.

I have a really hard time believing that.

Well even a new Graphics driver (by NVIDIA) installs and restarts in place, try to do that in Linux without manual intervention.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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post #101

But why "Install-Package", "Add-Package" and "Update-Package" - it's not like you can install, add or update anything else with this tool.

Those are PowerShell cmdlets - and follow PowerShell verb-noun naming convention. There is a finite set of "approved" verbs (though you can use your own) representing the "actions" you can perform against a resource (the noun part).

From within a PowerShell console I can "add" a lot of things. Try typing

    gcm -verb add
from a PowerShell console (gcm is alias for Get-Command and the command above will list all commands where "Add" is the verb).

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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This reminds me of that time that Microsoft caught up to a competitor years too late to have any impact.

If Windows Server or Exchange weren't a massive continued success you might have a point. As it is you just sound pathetic. http://www.tannerhelland.com/4993/microsoft-money-updated-20...

We were looking to replace our ancient Exchange server with an Open-Source equivalent but nothing has a feature-parity. Nothing has the widespread support as Exchange: ability to fetch on all mobiles, widespread desktop protocol support (not just IMAP but you know, that Exchangey binary protocol), a web interface etc. etc. etc.

It just is a massive continued success, although from my migration from 2003 to 2010 and subsequent pain to 2010 SP2, I didn't find it successful or painless - I don't miss maintaining it.

I think a lot of folks on here look at the world through very narrow glasses where they write Python web-apps under Linux, or work in SOHO environments that rely on external email providers; they don't come across the all-pervasive Windows desktop culture. They never need to touch Active Directory, let alone understand what it is or why they'd need it, and never have to touch an Exchange server or roll-out applications across an array of desktop machines.

It is a pity because some end up making short-sighted narrow-FOV comments about Microsoft and Windows etc. that are unnecessary. Just because we don't use a system, we shouldn't assume that nobody else does.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Well, no, they didn't remove it; its been a separate component for a long time, and with Windows 8 they restricted it to Windows 8 Enterprise and Server 2012. (Though I think the Windows 7 version can actually be used in Windows 8.)

It's deprecated in Windows Server 2012: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh831568.aspx I believe it was removed with 2012 R2.

I wonder if it was because nobody used it? It must have been a large thing to maintain and test every release.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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post #78

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You have always been able to resize the cmd window, not sure what you mean here.

Vertically yes, but horizontally it's capped.

Open cmd window, left click on icon on left of cmd title bar, adjust window size in Defaults and Properties. This includes, height, width and buffer size.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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> While Windows and Mac users have to run graphical installers — you know, where you hit Next a few times and try to avoid installing bundled crapware — Linux users can just open up a command line and type sudo apt-get install vlc. Right. As if VLC on windows comes with crapware. As if apt-get [0] never asked cryptic messages [1]. [0] or yaourt or any other package manager [1] and it's more about the package than the…

> As if VLC on windows comes with crapware. At least it did, in a way http://www.howtogeek.com/194993/the-windows-store-is-a-cessp...

> The Store Even Pollutes System Search

> rse yet, the Windows Store is now integrated with the system search feature. Search for an application using the Start screen search or search charm and these garbage apps from the Windows Store will appear. For example, whenever I use the system search feature to launch Firefox, I see a link to install “Firefox Training Lite” from the Windows Store.

This is insane.

But it's hardly VLC's fault. You could say Windows is distributing malwares.

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