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Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by useerup »

bruce511 wrote: post #44
msie wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a really hard time believing that.

For the purposes of this reply, I'm talking about packages as distinct from Windows itself. A reboot is required if something you are trying to install is already in uss. Windows locks executable files and dells while they are being used, so it's not possible for an installer to overwrite them. When an installer detects this it places the new file in a temp store, and windows empties this store on startup, Thus if yo…

See also the Restart Manager (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa37...)

Restart Manager along with Windows Installer will manage stopping and restarting running applications/services to make sure that executables, DLLs, configuration files etc are updated atomically and transactionally.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by girvo »

Ronsenshi wrote: post #79
Yuioup wrote: post #69

Sorry, penguin lovers — if you thought that 2015, in the heinous wake of Windows 8, would finally be the year of desktop Linux, you were sadly mistaken. If you’ve ever ventured into the dark and mysterious land of Linutopia, where Ubutologists and Debianites reign, ... Wow what a snarky article! I guess Extremetech does not like Linux at all...

To be honest, it was kinda funny. I don't see why we can't find it humorous that year after year someone says that the next year will be a year of Linux. I love Linux - been using it for several years and wouldn't trade it for anything (be it OS X or Win with package manager). Package manager is certainly an awesome thing, but not something that would make me (and probably anyone else using Linux) to switch over.

> ...someone says that the next year will be a year of Linux.

Who says that unironically in 2014, though?

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by greenskin »

ANTSANTS wrote: post #55
dragonwriter wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being built on Linux as GP suggested doesn't mean its just Linux -- presumably you'd implementing Windows APIs on top of Linux. Think WINE, but without the disadvantage of having to be done by third parties. Though a more likely way, were Microsoft to want to bridge that gap, would be to have a solid first-party POSIX environment on top of Windows, rather than the other way around.

Why? What's the point? NT isn't bad at all, it's just different from POSIX (hell, I can't believe the irony of this statement, but I'm glad that Microsoft is still around to resist the POSIX monoculture ). Neither Microsoft nor the Free Software™ world would gain much from killing the NT kernel, but the latter camp would gain so much more from learning the lessons that made Windows so successful 20 goddamned years af…

Troll level: Asinine.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by Joeri »

girvo wrote: post #82
Ronsenshi wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, it was kinda funny. I don't see why we can't find it humorous that year after year someone says that the next year will be a year of Linux. I love Linux - been using it for several years and wouldn't trade it for anything (be it OS X or Win with package manager). Package manager is certainly an awesome thing, but not something that would make me (and probably anyone else using Linux) to switch over.

> ...someone says that the next year will be a year of Linux. Who says that unironically in 2014, though?

Given that more android devices are sold than windows, iOS and OS X combined, I would say it is a mere observation of fact that the past few years every year has been the year of linux. Linux on the desktop on the other hand...

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by logn »

> and who knows, that might just trigger some kind of revolution in Windows app management

Free trials of un-tar? Installing apps that require subscriptions to the cloud? Dev libraries that require enterprise support packages?

Good package management on Linux is owed largely to the tireless voices such as Stallman who understand the core issues here. Yes, tying together install scripts and maintaining repositories requires a lot of work, and good for Microsoft. But the reason It Just Works is because the software is free, from top to bottom, including the OS. And Mac will have the same problem here as Windows. For now, I'm guessing this is just a command-line interface to app stores.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by spain »

logn wrote: post #86

> and who knows, that might just trigger some kind of revolution in Windows app management Free trials of un-tar? Installing apps that require subscriptions to the cloud? Dev libraries that require enterprise support packages? Good package management on Linux is owed largely to the tireless voices such as Stallman who understand the core issues here. Yes, tying together install scripts and maintaining repositories re…

Pretty much. While it's cool coming from Microsoft I'm willing to bet it's going to be an inferior implementation one way or another compared to Linux distributions.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by angry_octet »

Yuioup wrote: post #69

Sorry, penguin lovers — if you thought that 2015, in the heinous wake of Windows 8, would finally be the year of desktop Linux, you were sadly mistaken. If you’ve ever ventured into the dark and mysterious land of Linutopia, where Ubutologists and Debianites reign, ... Wow what a snarky article! I guess Extremetech does not like Linux at all...

I find that snarkiness very reassuring! Some crazy straw man argument, calling us silly names, pretending that open source linux is more mysterious than the mad and secretive Ballmer temple of cash worship... Shows that the die hards are finding their truths to be a web of self deceptions.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by wmt »

mahmud wrote: post #56
andrewstuart2 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

install-package java --defaults > Installing: > Java > Ask.com toolbar > Ask.com rootkit

More like C: \> instpkg32.exe /DefaultSettings:ALL_DEFAULTS C: \> Cryptically named command with verbose arguments, that then goes on to fire a GUI window that requires manual intervention: that's the Microsoft way.

Good job at not reading the article! Had you read it, you would've learned that the commands work like this:

    Find-Package Firefox
    Install-Package Firefox
I admit it's not as easy as on e.g. Debian:

    sudo apt-get remove iceweasel
    sudo echo deb http://packages.linuxmint.com debian import >>/etc/apt/sources.list
    sudo gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 3EE67F3D0FF405B2
    sudo gpg --export 3EE67F3D0FF405B2 > 3EE67F3D0FF405B2.gpg
    sudo apt-key add ./3EE67F3D0FF405B2.gpg
    sudo rm ./3EE67F3D0FF405B2.gpg
    sudo apt-get update
    sudo apt-get install firefox
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