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Google Fit: An effortless, comprehensive view of your fitness

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Re: Google Fit: An effortless, comprehensive view of your fitness

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Just installed the phone app. Less a "comprehensive view", and more of a pedometer with graphs. You can manually add activities but the only options are: Walking, Running, Biking, Other. And even then, you can only record duration. I suppose there is hidden integration with the wearables, but why can't I manually input the data? If I can't record squats, then what's the point?

I think anyone that is even a little bit serious about their particular exercise/activity will not use this. I cycle and run. I record everything in Strava. Most of my friends do too. I can't really see a reason to use this. Counting steps does not seem to be very useful.

Strava is pretty awesome. I'm contemplating premium but probably won't splurge until I have a mount for my phone and/or a heart rate monitor.

I do wish I could hide segments though, it's annoying how everyone makes their favorite 0.2 miles their own sprint.

Re: Google Fit: An effortless, comprehensive view of your fitness

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I meticulously entered my lab results, height, weight, etc into Google health few years back. And they promptly discontinued the service. What is the guarantee that this will not meet the same faith? I am not buying into this unless they make it open source -- so that somebody else can take over when Google loses interest.

I don't understand this sentiment that always pops up on posts about new Google services. Google allows you to download your data and take it with you, so if Google abandons the service, you can go elsewhere pretty easily. This is not the case with a bunch of other services I use, yet I never see such posts about them.

The data mining criticisms hold a lot more weight but only in cases where they collect more data than is necessary to run the service. That's why paying for Fastmail doesn't make any sense. You're still trusting somebody else with your unencrypted email data. In this case though, I don't see the value-add that Google provides in having unencrypted access to the fitness data. It looks like a fairly dumb data store, in which case most of the data can be encrypted with a user password before being sent to Google.

Re: Google Fit: An effortless, comprehensive view of your fitness

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I have no real judgment about fitness apps, watches, etc., but I am curious about why so many people use them? If one doesn't have health issues and/or not a professional athlete - why would one want to keep track of fitness so closely? I just go out and get exercise and enjoy myself and all this fitness app stuff seems like a distraction. Plus, I really don't want to destroy expensive stuff while I'm mountain biking…

> why so many people use them?

So they can blog about the 1k they walked on facebook.

Re: Google Fit: An effortless, comprehensive view of your fitness

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Just installed the phone app. Less a "comprehensive view", and more of a pedometer with graphs. You can manually add activities but the only options are: Walking, Running, Biking, Other. And even then, you can only record duration. I suppose there is hidden integration with the wearables, but why can't I manually input the data? If I can't record squats, then what's the point?

Such a let down. I was hoping they would do something I could use. There are surprisingly few, if any at all sites/apps fulfilling my very modest basic criteria. -weight log -calorie log -gym and cardio progress log and plan -not using Liberian units of measurements. GDoc spreadsheet still seems like the best option. -- Don't they do any market research at all at Google? No one interested in tracking anything will fi…

Jetfit does that, and breaks down the workout into exercises.

I would use that but they don't integrate with Witherings scale.

Re: Google Fit: An effortless, comprehensive view of your fitness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I can't record squats, then what's the point? The point is to be one front end to "[a]n open platform that lets users control their fitness data" and "lets developers build smarter apps and manufacturers focus on creating amazing devices." [1] > You can manually add activities but the only options are: Walking, Running, Biking, Other. The backend is aware of more activity types [2], so I suspect its either getti…

lets developers build smarter apps and manufacturers focus on creating amazing devices They don't seem to have mentioned "and lets us sell all the data to the highest bidder"

I don't understand why you are getting downvoted. There was some obvious snark in your comment, but I am also not clear on how else Google could monetize this product unless it is through the use of the collected data?

Re: Google Fit: An effortless, comprehensive view of your fitness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

lets developers build smarter apps and manufacturers focus on creating amazing devices They don't seem to have mentioned "and lets us sell all the data to the highest bidder"

I don't understand why you are getting downvoted. There was some obvious snark in your comment, but I am also not clear on how else Google could monetize this product unless it is through the use of the collected data?

Why should every small component be monetised? Google has an interest in Android, and if they felt that Android needed something like this, then the continued revenue from people using Android services benefit them because most of those people would use the 'greater' Google services, not just Fit.

Does it mean that when Google created Keep, they were looking for a way of making money off our notes and to-do lists?

Re: Google Fit: An effortless, comprehensive view of your fitness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

lets developers build smarter apps and manufacturers focus on creating amazing devices They don't seem to have mentioned "and lets us sell all the data to the highest bidder"

I don't understand why you are getting downvoted. There was some obvious snark in your comment, but I am also not clear on how else Google could monetize this product unless it is through the use of the collected data?

most of the time google collects data it is because users want this data to be collected.

If Google would not store emails on their servers, people would leave Gmail and go to a service that does. If Google would store emails, but end-to-end encrypt it, people would leave gmail and put their data to a service with a working spam filter.

Google Now is very popular and a reason why people use Google services.

For Googles revenue it is far more important that people use their services (and therefore watch ads), then it is to create "better ads". I say that because nobody seems to get "smart ads" that are actually interesting to them. Googles gmail ads are little more than "if word is used in conversation, show product related to word".

Re: Google Fit: An effortless, comprehensive view of your fitness

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I have no real judgment about fitness apps, watches, etc., but I am curious about why so many people use them? If one doesn't have health issues and/or not a professional athlete - why would one want to keep track of fitness so closely? I just go out and get exercise and enjoy myself and all this fitness app stuff seems like a distraction. Plus, I really don't want to destroy expensive stuff while I'm mountain biking…

> If one doesn't have health issues and/or not a professional athlete - why would one want to keep track of fitness so closely? The majority of Americans are overweight -- which is a health issue, and addressing that health issue is one of the major reasons people use fitness trackers. > I just go out and get exercise and enjoy myself and all this fitness app stuff seems like a distraction. Lots of people don't enjoy…

>The majority of Americans are overweight -- which is a health issue, and addressing that health issue is one of the major reasons people use fitness trackers.

I've been overweight at times when I overwork. Especially after I was in a situation where I was a caregiver for a sick loved one for some years. Even after that spell of time, I lost weight fairly quickly (and healthily) by mountain biking. I've lost weight by exercising via having fun on a mountain bike, hiking, climbing, kayaking, surfing, etc. and eating less (and somewhat healthier) and drinking more water.

I guess I just don't see how a fitness app would have improved my situation. Again, I'm not dissing on those that use them, but I personally don't get it.

I'm still curious after your response. How would a fitness app and device helped me?

>Lots of people don't enjoy exercise, especially people trying to establish a pattern with it that haven't done so yet.

Maybe it's because they set it up like a chore with a computing device instead of doing it for fun and health as a side benefit?

I'm only half-kidding about that...

I personally can't stand sitting inside and getting exercise on some rat wheel in a gym. If it's hot, I bring lots of water and dress appropriately for the weather. If it's cold, I bundle up. I enjoy the challenge that the elements bring to the table outdoors. I also like using my brain trying to navigate trails, etc. instead of doing repetitious, boring (to me) brain-dead indoor exercise machines like treadmills, etc.

I dunno, maybe if people worried less about their fitness tracking devices, trying to treat exercise like work and instead just have more fun, they'd be more apt to exercise?

I wouldn't enjoy exercise either if I treated it like work.

>I think you are presenting a false dichotomy.

Perhaps I am for others. For me personally, I just don't see the enjoyment of meticulously tracking my heart rate, etc. while I'm flying down some trails, hiking my bike up rocks, etc. I know my heart is working because it's pounding with joy (and sometimes fear) and that's enough for me. Or, if someone spots a bear I sure as heck don't need a fitness app to let me know my heart is ticking. ;)

Again, I know what works for me certainly doesn't work for everyone, but as hard as I try, I just don't get the fitness apps and devices being very conducive to enjoyable exercise. Just seems like another distraction from getting busy and having fun in the process.

The only device I like to bring is a little shuffle for music and I often turn that off so I can hear the sounds of nature while I'm out there. A fancy pants fitness device that alerts me that my heart rate has reached some kind of "optimum" zone or whatever just seems like a mechanical killjoy to an otherwise organic, almost tribal/ animalistic/sensual experience getting down and dirty with nature.

Again, this is just me. If other find enjoyment in fitness apps and devices that run them, then more power to them! :D

Who knows, maybe someone can make a good enough argument for me to start using them someday if/when I have health issues, etc. down the road.

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