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Re: Meteor hits 1.0

#101

Post by mrcwinn »

There's a lot to like about Meteor. Just compare setting up some kind of "dream team" of JavaScript: Rendr + React + Grunt + JSX = OMG WHERE DID MY FRIDAY NIGHT GO.

Meter out of the box "just works," but it only works with Mongo for now, and it only works if you are all-in with the platform — on both the client and the server side. Those are two pretty big bets to make.

I would say Meteor is ideal for learning, except that it's important to learn what the request-response lifecycle is all about, and I think it can be detrimental when a "magical" framework does so much for you.

And one thing I just can't get over -- page loads in Meteor.com feel super fast. Until you realize it actually downloaded the contents (not the unseen images, of course) of the entire website! DPP is doing some interesting things, but some of Meteor is some nice magic tricks that we've seen before. 600kb+ of JS on page load is certainly an interesting concept.

Huge amount of work by a talented team. A super nice community. As for the framework itself, give it some time, let it grow, but most importantly, understand objectively its strengths and risks. It has both!

Re: Meteor hits 1.0

#103

Post by djm_ »

staticelf wrote: post #100
akhatri_aus wrote: post #46

Congrats to the Meteor team on 1.0! We're building our app http://servicelocale.com on it for high quality services & crafts in Australia.

Looks great but the site doesn't feel very snappy.

I haven't found a Meteor site that does yet, I would love to see an example of one where I don't have to sit at a loading wheel. Anyone?

Re: Meteor hits 1.0

#104

Post by polarix »

theckel wrote: post #91
bsilvereagle wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any posts on how you scaled Meteor?

We will be sharing more soon. We've been developing with Meteor since the winter of 2012 and two main scaling issues have crept up: (1) the web tier was a bottleneck prior to 0.7.0's implementation of oplog tailing; and (2) post oplog tailing, mongo actually became our bottleneck with the write locks. We were able to get to about 3300 concurrent users (in our very data-intensive application) against a single beefy mo…

Okay, I'll bite: who is "We"?

Re: Meteor hits 1.0

#105

Post by jakozaur »

mrcwinn wrote: post #101

There's a lot to like about Meteor. Just compare setting up some kind of "dream team" of JavaScript: Rendr + React + Grunt + JSX = OMG WHERE DID MY FRIDAY NIGHT GO. Meter out of the box "just works," but it only works with Mongo for now, and it only works if you are all-in with the platform — on both the client and the server side. Those are two pretty big bets to make. I would say Meteor is ideal for learning, excep…

Yeah, one of the common critique is that "Meteor" does too much and doesn't integrate well with other stuff.

For me it's a main advantage, I don't need to use "other" stuff to get the final effect.

I wrote few projects and it's the best framework if you start from scratch. Though it's hard to swell if you need to add it later to some existing project.

Re: Meteor hits 1.0

#106

Post by lingoberry »

gooseus wrote: post #92
dasmithii wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not at all. It's the other way around, really. Those who don't use Meteor for their projects may not be able to without trashing existing codebases.

What I'm hearing is that Meteor doesn't play well with others and that you should make the decision to go with Meteor carefully since changing your mind later will require a ground-up refactor. This is pretty much my experience as someone who started working on a project where the lead dev had decided to use Meteor and then quit leaving a wonky prototype with "reactive data", poor performance and missing functionalit…

Meteor doesn't require tight coupling between data access and presentation layers. Personally I use meteor with react.

Re: Meteor hits 1.0

#108

Post by rco8786 »

findjashua wrote: post #107

seems like their selling point is data binding + client syncing. Considering I can do that with Ractive/React + Firebase, what's the advantage of using Meteor?

You can ask it either way.

seems like their selling point is data binding + client syncing. Considering I can do that with Meteor, what's the advantage of using Ractive/React + Firebase?

Re: Meteor hits 1.0

#110

Post by djmashko2 »

killertypo wrote: post #96

Congratulations on 1.0 but these kinds of buzzwordy lines Accomplish in 10 lines what would otherwise take 1000, thanks to a reactive programming model that extends all the way from the database to the user's screen. Really bother me. Show me where you eliminated 1000 lines of code and how it was beneficial. Each line of code, to me, is placed with purpose and intent. Are you eliminating thousands of lines of boilerp…

(Disclaimer: I work at Meteor) That box is referring to the data syncing, event handling, and view rendering code that you don't have to write when you use Meteor, compared to some of the previous generation frameworks.

If you put together the right list of cutting-edge components like React, Firebase, Bootstrap, and some build tools, you might get a similar improvement in code simplicity. Our goal at Meteor is to give you the same benefits without making you write code to plumb between several different frameworks.

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