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Why Your Cat Thinks You’re a Huge, Unpredictable Ape

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Re: Why Your Cat Thinks You’re a Huge, Unpredictable Ape

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The BBC just did a 3 part special called Cat Watch where they follow the lives of several cats in a small town in the UK, attaching small cameras to the cats to see what they get up to, and demonstrating things like how cats use their whiskers to "see" things right in front of them because their vision is poor at close range and how they communicate with us. I recommend it if you're a cat person.

I agree, it's an amazing documentary, obligatory if you're a cat person:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnbRoRmRV2c

(I normally don't watch long videos).

Re: Why Your Cat Thinks You’re a Huge, Unpredictable Ape

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"This is because cats evolved as solitary hunters with little need for reading social cues, especially those for behavior modification." [...] “How the hell is your cat supposed to know that you’re yelling at him because you want him to stop scratching the couch?” [...] "When your cat does the thing you want her do to, reward her with a treat, or affection." If we accept that cats can't learn from negative reinforcem…

The issue (which the article explained badly) isn't that punishment doesn't work; it's that cats don't understand human social cues.

For a dog, yelling is a punishment on its own, because they understand what the tone of voice means. A cat will just think "hmm, the human got louder - I wonder why?" If you're trying to punish a cat for things, you either need a physical stimulus they don't like (spray bottle, for example) or a social cue they understand (hissing is moderately effective, though that's more of a warning than a punishment).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or install a cat flap and let your cat go outside?

At least in the US the outdoors are no place for cats. I see dead cats on the side of the road far too often. People leave out antifreeze to poison cats so they won't poop in their yard or attack birds. Sometimes they shoot them for fun. And sometimes they saw off their back legs for kicks [1]. I've also seen way too many FIV+ cats come through the shelter system, transferred when they're attacked by FIV+ strays. If…

Holy hell... how common is cat shooting/poisoning/maiming incidents? You make it sound like they happen all the time, which makes me sick.

Re: Why Your Cat Thinks You’re a Huge, Unpredictable Ape

#94

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He's had xrays done not 3 months ago that showed nothing like that. They ruled it out. He pisses in the litter box, just refuses to poop in it.

Maybe he doesn't like to do different business in the same place? Try getting another box.

So at what point do you go insane? Should I just turn the whole place into a litter box? I have 3.

Re: Why Your Cat Thinks You’re a Huge, Unpredictable Ape

#95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presence of humans increases the reproductive success of domesticated cats (because they get supplemental food and shelter and protection from predators), and decreases the success of non-domesticated cats (because humans are happy to kill antisocial feral cats).

Do you honestly think that some agricultural community hundreds of years ago had nothing better to do than hunt down anti-social cats? It's speculation, and sources suggest the opposite is true, the cats were were simply tolerated: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2702791/#__sec6t... Increase of reproductive success is not an evolutionary pressure and is irrelevant in the context of the comment I was reply…

Lots of teenage boys in agricultural communities today seem to have plenty of time to hunt down and kill cats.

Re: Why Your Cat Thinks You’re a Huge, Unpredictable Ape

#96
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How to Treat Your Cat (or Manager) 1. Any cat > any thing, no matter how expensive. I wish my carpets and furniture weren't all scratched up, but I really don't care that much. Corollary: Any manager > any project. The project may fail, but the manager may do another. 2. Let the cat initiate all action. They will let you know when they want to eat/sleep/play/cuddle/hang out. Respond predictably to their action. Corol…

Response to corollary on #7: "Anyone else" deserves about as much respect as your cat. The idea that a creature that enjoys destroying your possessions, arbitrarily ignoring you for most of its life despite depending entirely upon you, expects total obedience despite no contribution or investment, has never earned a dollar in its life and has no concept of what a dollar is or why that might be important to it, intrin…

"The idea that a creature that enjoys destroying your possessions, arbitrarily ignoring you for most of its life despite depending entirely upon you, expects total obedience despite no contribution or investment, has never earned a dollar in its life and has no concept of what a dollar is or why that might be important to it, intrinsically deserves anything so important as respect is ridiculous"

I bet you make a GREAT babysitter.

Re: Why Your Cat Thinks You’re a Huge, Unpredictable Ape

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Free cat advice: If your cat is going outside of its litter box, it is most likely because it isn't cleaned regularly (would you like to stand in poop to go the bathroom?). You should be cleaning it at least once per day.

Yeah that's great and all but I've tried that. 3 litter boxes. All cleaned twice a day, and he still shits on the carpet 2 feet away from the box. Lid on, lid off, big sidewalls, different cat litter. I've tried it all. The little shit just likes shitting on carpet I guess. And putting the fear of god into him does nothing.

I had a similar problem but with peeing, despite three litter boxes and regular cleaning. He'd go in the same room, five feet away. It go so bad that the carpet started developing some sort of fungal growth, which was gross. I read up on it and apparently some cats develop a "texture preference," especially for carpet.

So in the utility room I used for the litter boxes, I replaced the carpet with some cheap engineered wood flooring (Pergo or some similar knockoff brand). Problem went away. I think it is very weird/uncomfortable for them to go on a smooth hard surface, and carpet is a rougher surface that sort of could feel like dirt or grass.

Re: Why Your Cat Thinks You’re a Huge, Unpredictable Ape

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I have a cat and I talk to her and she talks to me.

There's a couch she likes best but I don't want her on it; every time she goes near it I just say "no" and she turns around (she won't get off of it if she's already on it by voice alone, though).

If there's no food left for her she comes to my study and does a very specific meow, and I know I need to replenish the thing.

She sleeps during the day and lives outside during the night, bringing back the occasional dead mouse on the front porch in the morning.

We don't have that many interactions but we understand one another, I think, pretty well.

Re: Why Your Cat Thinks You’re a Huge, Unpredictable Ape

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Free cat advice: If your cat is going outside of its litter box, it is most likely because it isn't cleaned regularly (would you like to stand in poop to go the bathroom?). You should be cleaning it at least once per day.

You are right that this is generally true for my cats, unfortunately, one of our cats will periodically go outside the box for other reasons.

For two cats, we have three litter boxes that are cleaned daily, new litter is added every couple of weeks as the level of the litter goes down, and then the boxes are fully emptied and fresh litter added about every three months, and that keeps them mostly happy. Unfortunately, one of the cats will periodically pee outside the box even when the box is perfectly clean, and the reasons are many, and somewhat ambiguous.

Sometimes it's the litter. Either we're trying a new litter, or the manufacturer changes the litter, and the cat doesn't like the new litter for some reason.

Sometimes it's the environment. She's using the litter box and there's a sudden noise for some reason, and then she won't use that box again for a while. Not really a problem when we have three boxes, unless she's been startled while using all of them within a short period of time.

Sometimes she's feeling stressed out. If we rearrange the furniture, the seasons are changing (generally only going into winter does this seem to be a problem,) can't pay as much attention to her for a prolonged period of time, go on vacation, or bring home a new child, she's far more prone to peeing outside the litter box.

She never poops outside the litter box, only ever pees.

We've pretty much just formed a routine to minimize the peeing issues. We keep the litter boxes clean, we make sure we pay enough attention to her, and we try to encourage her to use her litter box at least once a day. If we haven't seen her pee in the litter box for a few days (does not mean she hasn't used it, just hasn't used it in front of us) we start to minimize the available options for her to pee in/on (easier than it sounds, she tries to find substitutes for her litter box, so anything box like, or that she can use to bury, like throw rugs.)

Re: Why Your Cat Thinks You’re a Huge, Unpredictable Ape

#100
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>He just doesn’t know how to connect your negative reinforcement with his behavior. I don't know. The one time I got seriously mad at Yoshi (my cat) was when he bit through an ethernet cable. That was the one single time I've actually squirted water at him and threw him out of my appartment. Since then neither my ethernet cables nor my iPhone USB cables got bitten through any more (he also knows that chewing on iphon…

Cat's definitely do understand punishment for their behavior. My girlfriend's cat will scratch the couch and immediately start running away as he knows we are going to squirt him.
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