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Re: A Web IDE for Teams using Golang

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Post by pritambaral »

Veratyr wrote: post #20
the_solution wrote: post #11

From https://github.com/b3log/wide/blob/master/editor/editors.go : // 编辑器操作. (...) // TODO: 目前是调用 liteide_stub 工具来查找声明，后续需要重新实现 This is not an isolated example. People, please. For open source code stick to english in the code. Otherwise, you needlessly exclude anyone who doesn't speak your particular language. I was about to dive into the code thinking "this thing looks cool, maybe there's something to learn from it…

While I do like English, the way you said 'your particular language' seemed a little off to me. I'm no expert but that sample you gave me looks like Simplified Chinese, which should be readable by about 1.2 billion people[0]. There is no solid data on how widespread English is yet but I think if 1/6th of the earth speaks a language which is also an official language of the United Nations, programmers should be able t…

You assume all developers from Asia/Pacific are familiar with Chinese. Speaking as one of 1.2 billion Indians, we are not familiar with Chinese, despite being firmly in Asia/Pacific. I doubt the Japanese, Koreans, Malayasians or Filipino are familiar with Chinese either. (familiar = to the point of being able to read it)

Just because a language is accepted at the UN doesn't mean everyone should be familiar with it. Even the UN needs translators for Arabic, Spanish, Russian, French and Chinese; all official languages. (Aside: the UN Secretariat uses only English and French).

Being a UN accepted language shouldn't be a criterion for programming, being popular among developers should be. And anyone writing any piece of code in any human language, be it English or Chinese, should know that by making that choice, they are also limiting the set of understanding eyes that can be laid on their code.

Re: A Web IDE for Teams using Golang

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Post by gizzlon »

the_solution wrote: post #11

From https://github.com/b3log/wide/blob/master/editor/editors.go : // 编辑器操作. (...) // TODO: 目前是调用 liteide_stub 工具来查找声明，后续需要重新实现 This is not an isolated example. People, please. For open source code stick to english in the code. Otherwise, you needlessly exclude anyone who doesn't speak your particular language. I was about to dive into the code thinking "this thing looks cool, maybe there's something to learn from it…

I agree with you that projects using languages I don't understand is a major turn-off, I think they understand that as well, and live with the trade-off. As someone else said, many people are not comfortable using English (which is just a nice way of saying their English sucks).

I wrote a small script [1] to translate this really cool Go blog [2] from Chinese using a free Bing API.

1: https://github.com/oyvindsk/Tore-the-translator 2: https://github.com/fuxiaohei/GoBlog

Re: A Web IDE for Teams using Golang

#23

Post by Yetanfou »

the_solution wrote: post #11

From https://github.com/b3log/wide/blob/master/editor/editors.go : // 编辑器操作. (...) // TODO: 目前是调用 liteide_stub 工具来查找声明，后续需要重新实现 This is not an isolated example. People, please. For open source code stick to english in the code. Otherwise, you needlessly exclude anyone who doesn't speak your particular language. I was about to dive into the code thinking "this thing looks cool, maybe there's something to learn from it…

With the abundance of online translators this should not be a problem. This is what Google translate makes of it:

    // Editor operations (...) // TODO:.
    Is currently calling liteide_stub tool
    to find statement, the subsequent need to reimplement
Baidu translate:

    / / editor operation. (...) / / TODO:
    is now calling the liteide_stub tool
    to find the following statement,
    the need to re implement
Between the two of those it is clear what this comment means. Had they written it in 'Chinglish' the result would probably be similar, but in that case nobody would know exactly what they meant, not even those who read Chinese.

Re: A Web IDE for Teams using Golang

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Post by andrewchambers »

q3k wrote: post #2

I don't want to sound arrogant, but can someone please try to explain to me what is the appeal of web-based IDEs for non-web development? The “feature” bullet points from their site do not really speak to me, and it overall still seems like a solution in search of a problem. I'd seriously like to hear some stories from people who use such solutions and environments. The only reason I can think of for the existence an…

Sometimes I'd like to host my IDE online so i can just pick up my work from anywhere, then run my tests from anywhere.

Maybe thats one advantage.

Re: A Web IDE for Teams using Golang

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Post by hobo_mark »

q3k wrote: post #2

I don't want to sound arrogant, but can someone please try to explain to me what is the appeal of web-based IDEs for non-web development? The “feature” bullet points from their site do not really speak to me, and it overall still seems like a solution in search of a problem. I'd seriously like to hear some stories from people who use such solutions and environments. The only reason I can think of for the existence an…

For me it would be instant, remote collaboration. Unfortunately no web-based IDE offers that, as far as I know. Google docs for code anyone?

Re: A Web IDE for Teams using Golang

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Post by flohofwoe »

q3k wrote: post #2

I don't want to sound arrogant, but can someone please try to explain to me what is the appeal of web-based IDEs for non-web development? The “feature” bullet points from their site do not really speak to me, and it overall still seems like a solution in search of a problem. I'd seriously like to hear some stories from people who use such solutions and environments. The only reason I can think of for the existence an…

Main point to me would be that it would work automatically on every platform and without needing setup/installation/updating, so I could switch between a Chromebook, a Mac, PC with Windows or Linux without even having to think about whether the IDE has been ported to that platform. If there would be a practical IDE solution running in the browser (or Chromium as offline package) for C++ which replaces VStudio/Xcode/QtCreator I would switch in an instant.

Re: A Web IDE for Teams using Golang

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Post by tokenizerrr »

hobo_mark wrote: post #25
q3k wrote: post #2

I don't want to sound arrogant, but can someone please try to explain to me what is the appeal of web-based IDEs for non-web development? The “feature” bullet points from their site do not really speak to me, and it overall still seems like a solution in search of a problem. I'd seriously like to hear some stories from people who use such solutions and environments. The only reason I can think of for the existence an…

For me it would be instant, remote collaboration. Unfortunately no web-based IDE offers that, as far as I know. Google docs for code anyone?

https://www.nitrous.io/ does something like that, they're not open source or free however (though they do have a free plan).

Re: A Web IDE for Teams using Golang

#28

Post by giancarlostoro »

q3k wrote: post #2

I don't want to sound arrogant, but can someone please try to explain to me what is the appeal of web-based IDEs for non-web development? The “feature” bullet points from their site do not really speak to me, and it overall still seems like a solution in search of a problem. I'd seriously like to hear some stories from people who use such solutions and environments. The only reason I can think of for the existence an…

As someone who wants to see more projects like this one I'll just explain what I see. Instead of opening up a full blown IDE UI 10 times, you could easily open up 10 browser tabs each separated by a web server instance. You can leave your project from one computer, go to the next one and continue. Instead of sending a friend a paste-bin to help you, you could easily link them to where you're working at, and what you're stuck with. No need to SSH or connect directly to a server, when you can indirectly edit files.

I see such a tool being useful for PHP / Web admins, provided said tool is setup secure (and hidden very well as a security fall back). Sort of the same way PHPMyAdmin is used, minus the PHP back-end. There's plenty of benefits to web based desktop applications, install once, run from everywhere, including devices that cannot possibly run an IDE but can run a browser, like computers with terrible processing / ram speeds, or tablets.

Re: A Web IDE for Teams using Golang

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Post by the_solution »

Veratyr wrote: post #20
the_solution wrote: post #11

From https://github.com/b3log/wide/blob/master/editor/editors.go : // 编辑器操作. (...) // TODO: 目前是调用 liteide_stub 工具来查找声明，后续需要重新实现 This is not an isolated example. People, please. For open source code stick to english in the code. Otherwise, you needlessly exclude anyone who doesn't speak your particular language. I was about to dive into the code thinking "this thing looks cool, maybe there's something to learn from it…

While I do like English, the way you said 'your particular language' seemed a little off to me. I'm no expert but that sample you gave me looks like Simplified Chinese, which should be readable by about 1.2 billion people[0]. There is no solid data on how widespread English is yet but I think if 1/6th of the earth speaks a language which is also an official language of the United Nations, programmers should be able t…

You're missing the point comletely.

There needs to be a common, agreed on ("standard") intercommunication language for exchange of knowledge to happen. For computer science related things, programming in particular, this is english. This happened historically because a lot of the development took place in the US and it is also a good choice, because english is easy to learn (I'm no native speaker btw.). Had computers been developed mainly in china I would very likely write to you in chinese at this moment (which would be a bad choice because it is badly suited as a global intercommunication language).

But they weren't and english is the lowest common denominator everyone doing CS is required to know. Hell, anything on the internet. If you deviate from this than you hinder the free exchange of knowledge and ideas which is bad.

Do not use any language other than english in public code. It is a bad idea because it needlessly alienates the larger part of mankind. It's not about "having it my way" or having others cater to my needs. I'm not advocating it because it is the easier choice for me, but because it is the better choice in the big picture.

Re: A Web IDE for Teams using Golang

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Post by xyclos »

hobo_mark wrote: post #25
q3k wrote: post #2

I don't want to sound arrogant, but can someone please try to explain to me what is the appeal of web-based IDEs for non-web development? The “feature” bullet points from their site do not really speak to me, and it overall still seems like a solution in search of a problem. I'd seriously like to hear some stories from people who use such solutions and environments. The only reason I can think of for the existence an…

For me it would be instant, remote collaboration. Unfortunately no web-based IDE offers that, as far as I know. Google docs for code anyone?

Cloud9 offers that. https://c9.io/
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