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Re: iCloud Uploads Local Data Outside of iCloud Drive

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Just FYI, are you aware that when you create an email the draft is also stored on the server unless you explicitly choose not to?

All of these things are just normal. It's not like an evil mastermind decided that there was the need to access your unsaved documents.

I mean, you can still get angry about it but it seems pointless since you (probably) already use all of the google services that are available.

Also, a "security researcher" should know better :)

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post #23

Interesting, but: There are two kinds of users in this scenario. Those who don't care (99%) and those who do. If you count yourself among the latter group, as I do, then it's always solid advice to choose actions which clarify your intentions. In this case: - don't use iCloud - don't use iCloud sync for the app you use for private data - do explicitly choose to save the file locally - don't enable new features like C…

> don't enable new features

most of the time, the default is to enable the new privacy invasive features unfortunately... (it should be opt-in, always)

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post #18

Last I looked, iCloud was not HIPAA¹-compliant. Health-care workers who previously could have iCloud enabled, as long as they did not use it for HIPAA-covered documents, may be in for a big and expensive surprise. ¹ http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/

Mavericks had the same behaviour as Yosemite iirc, except it was less obvious.

in Mavericks default save location was iCloud for docs but it didn't silently upload stuff afaik

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post #36
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not angry, but it does violate the principle of least surprise and the document model that's been in use for text editors forever . I opted in to iCloud Drive to synchronize files - files I chose to store in iCloud. I did not opt in to synchronize my unsaved files in apps not currently supported by Continuity, nor was there any warning or indication that that would occur. How would you feel if the OS, without war…

Right, well I agree with you almost entirely. My only hesitation is that you and I have to recognize that we are on the fringes of the fringe, and be hyper-vigilant. This behaviour is only surprising if you get lax (as I was, too) about evolving functionality. My point about vim is that for me, it's a purposeful simplification. I do sometimes wish for a more flexible note taking app, but I know that it would take an…

> I know that it would take an earthquake of change for vim to sprout a file sync feature

Well, you may know that, but don't worry, when it happens and surprises you and you post about it, there will definitely be someone here on Hacker News to scold you that you should have known better and that it's all your fault for not anticipating the unexpected and unannounced changes.

Re: iCloud Uploads Local Data Outside of iCloud Drive

#65
If you enable documents in the cloud (now iCloud Drive, I think) document based apps will pick that location as the default location to save to. Autosave has long been a feature, so that happens, too.

It all makes perfect sense and is perfectly logical. How is it even possible to be surprised by this?! I’m mystified. It’s also not data outside iCloud. It is very much inside iCloud. Obviously. Newly created documents have to be saved somewhere, and if iCloud is your default location that’s exactly where. Where else?!

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#66
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree that I definitely see this trend, this does not mean that this trend will end up winning. We have seen lots of horrible trends like this one and almost none of them survived.

I think you underestimate the momentum behind this trend: the vast manjority of users want it.

That is the horrifying part, right!?

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post #11
post #7

http://support.apple.com/kb/TS4372

Good find. The fact that this is a KB article seems to confirm what a huge violation of customer trust this is - they know this violates the principle of least surprise.

There are KB articles for everything. You are reading too much into it.

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post #21

For continuity to work, it should be obvious that what you are working on must be stored somewhere other than the machine you have turned off. The obvious place is on iCloud. Just do not enable continuity if you do not want to enjoy is features.

Since the continuity feature requires Bluetooth 4, I figured the magic was done over Bluetooth and wifi. I personally don't mind using iCloud, but I understand the authors reservations. But feel the root problem is the NSA, not apple. It's too bad that America has lost control of its government and is unable to fix this.

Most countries have surveillance on their citizens. And most citizens 100% support it.

Re: iCloud Uploads Local Data Outside of iCloud Drive

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post #48
post #23

Interesting, but: There are two kinds of users in this scenario. Those who don't care (99%) and those who do. If you count yourself among the latter group, as I do, then it's always solid advice to choose actions which clarify your intentions. In this case: - don't use iCloud - don't use iCloud sync for the app you use for private data - do explicitly choose to save the file locally - don't enable new features like C…

> "There are two kinds of users in this scenario. Those who don't care (99%) and those who do." ... "The author is rightly sore that his bits got pushed to Apple due to his oversight " (emphasis mine) This attitude is completely unhelpful. It throws those who are otherwise ignorant under the bus simply because they don't (can't?) understand how modern tech works. Is that really fair? Must we really divide the world u…

Sadly this type of response seems to be common amongst those that do get it. "Whatever. Most people don't care anyway."

If you look at the reaction of those 99% to Apple planting a U2 album on their phone, you see an angry response when people are made aware...

Re: iCloud Uploads Local Data Outside of iCloud Drive

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post #65

If you enable documents in the cloud (now iCloud Drive, I think) document based apps will pick that location as the default location to save to. Autosave has long been a feature, so that happens, too. It all makes perfect sense and is perfectly logical. How is it even possible to be surprised by this?! I’m mystified. It’s also not data outside iCloud. It is very much inside iCloud. Obviously. Newly created documents…

No.. it happens if you enable iCloud at all, not just iCloud Drive. There is no "enable documents in the cloud" setting.

According to Apple's KB, just signing into iCloud makes iCloud the default location for all unsaved docs (for iCloud-enabled apps).[1] So even if you've just turned on iCloud for photo streams or syncing contacts or whatever, iCloud becomes the default location for all unsaved docs.

[1] http://support.apple.com/kb/TS4372

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