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Re: We Just Thought, 'This Is How You Start a Company in America'

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How you start a (tech) company in America: * Move to the valley. * Come up with a really good idea. Or at least a gimmick that will be a fad for a time. * Find a generous person from the upper echelons of the wealth distribution (or a club of them) who have enough money to fund your idea or gimmick. * Make a deal with them so that your business becomes part of their diversified portfolio. The risk to them is hedged b…

This is the very reason I take Dash[1]'s approach to success. He has half a lifetime stored up in a savings account, and he works a fraction of the time I do per week. 1. Make a small niche app. 2. Market it ferociously. 3. Don't be a slave to your job, make it the other way around. 4. Be your own #1 customer. [1]: http://kapeli.com/dash

Interesting! How'd you know that about the developer's situation? Digging around kapeli.com, it doesn't talk much about it.

Re: We Just Thought, 'This Is How You Start a Company in America'

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the very reason I take Dash[1]'s approach to success. He has half a lifetime stored up in a savings account, and he works a fraction of the time I do per week. 1. Make a small niche app. 2. Market it ferociously. 3. Don't be a slave to your job, make it the other way around. 4. Be your own #1 customer. [1]: http://kapeli.com/dash

Interesting! How'd you know that about the developer's situation? Digging around kapeli.com, it doesn't talk much about it.

The developer gave some insight on his blog here:

http://blog.kapeli.com/dash-for-ios-android-windows-or-linux

Re: We Just Thought, 'This Is How You Start a Company in America'

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"We started in January 2012, and may still be the only Asian YC founders ever." So that is not true. 9gag is from Hong Kong. Semantics3 is from Singapore. Strikingly is from China. Memebox is from Korea. Cleartax is from India. Those are just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more. That being said, I actually would love to see more Asian startups applying to Y Combinator. We should be funding one from each c…

Disclosure: Indian W'15 applicant here. Very pleasing to my ears. Few days back @sama also mentioned in one of the interviews to local print about wanting to make inroads into India and I welcomed it. Done properly YC can get nice response here.

Some of the challenges or differences about Indian start ups which you might have to address are:

a) Visa related issues: This is taken for granted by applicants from EU and other visa-on-arrival countries but it's a huge Qn mark for Asians. eg: I still don't know if we're selected for interview will I have to arrange for a B1 or B2? Will we be able to get it within a month? (There's an elaborate application process with long waiting periods - US embassy is notorious for rejecting on flimsiest of reasons). If we get selected, I'm still bit unsure what visa will be applicable for the 3-4 months of incubation period. To what extent YC will be involved in visa process. What happens after that? Some of these things are not laid out upfront in YC FAQ as of now.

b) Incorporation: The more you branch out into Asian territories the more likelihood that for many startups it won't make sense to incorporate in USA. Or maybe have a dual structure with HQ + subsidiary in USA/$home country (Ours might be dual). On the other hand there are some SaaS cos who have a Delaware co just for ease of seting up merchant a/cs and ease in collecting recurring payments (We still don't have Stripe here).

I know this comes later in the picture but I think some of the uncertainty around these Qns would keep many an Asian startup from applying.

For someone in Boston, if he doesn't make the cut, he can always go back to his home and figure our whatever he wants to do after 3 months. He loses just 3 months of his time. For many of us it's not easy to decide to upend your roots/family everything for that one chance of making it big only to realise all the wind is out of your sails after 6 months due to some stupid visa/IRS issues or for that matter even FDI/tax guys back in our home countries (eg even huge cos like Amazon India with billions of dollars investment in their Indian arm, are still caught in Indian tax/FDI redtape - they're facing an ongoing struggle against authorities as well as entrenched local retail community. They are forced to operate as marketplace and still have to dance as music changes). There's a reason why we're #134 in ease of doing business and #179 in Starting a business (out of 189).

So I think a clearly thought out YC roadmap on visa/incorp in itself would be a huge bump to smart founders.

b) The type or quality of startups in India is slightly different than the typical SV co. The typical SV startup goes: Stanform/MIT grads, batchmates, started building a SaaS/app2.0 product in final-year from dorm -- where you first figure out how to get millions of users and then sometimes after SeriesA maybe think about monetisation. Many of them get acquihired, defensive acquisition before making a cent in revenue. The good startups here in India that I like are mostly revenue generating from day one. Enough to have founders earning 3x+ of his erstwhile salaried job. They might not have hockey-stick growth in millions within months. A hockey-stick chart of nonpaying users is as good as 1/3rd of same chart of solid profitable paying users I reckon.

c) The way you do due diligence has to be slightly different. Yes there are lot of smart founders but just due to our sheer numbers you'll also find more shady characters (which in absolute nos would be a huge jump from what you might encounter in SV, even if %wise same - so a perception problem), so you'll have to gradually build up your sniffing skills in other vectors and also set your internal founder-meter accordingly. Plus there's a lot more diversity here in social/living conditions hence the founder diversity that goes with it. Which also means the good founders might be disproportionately outliers on the map which YC or SV references. eg: IIT gets a huge mindshare in SV but I see more startups from non-IITians here.

There are lot of similar subtle things from an Indian founder's perspective. I know coz I've grappled with some of these until I studied and organically warmed up to an idea so strong that made me jump through all the hoops and decide to go for it.

Would be glad to discuss any further - my email is in profile. (or in person alongside YC interview :-)

Re: We Just Thought, 'This Is How You Start a Company in America'

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"We started in January 2012, and may still be the only Asian YC founders ever." So that is not true. 9gag is from Hong Kong. Semantics3 is from Singapore. Strikingly is from China. Memebox is from Korea. Cleartax is from India. Those are just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more. That being said, I actually would love to see more Asian startups applying to Y Combinator. We should be funding one from each c…

In Japan at least, there is a very different mainstream cultural perception of 'startups'. It is basically not OK to try one and fail - you do not get credit for trying, and it can have a significant negative impact on your career if you do not succeed. There is a small, fairly tight-knit community within which this is obviously not the case, but mainstream Japanese culture still takes a conservative, and predominantly dim view of the 'startup'.

Re: We Just Thought, 'This Is How You Start a Company in America'

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post #19

"We started in January 2012, and may still be the only Asian YC founders ever." So that is not true. 9gag is from Hong Kong. Semantics3 is from Singapore. Strikingly is from China. Memebox is from Korea. Cleartax is from India. Those are just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more. That being said, I actually would love to see more Asian startups applying to Y Combinator. We should be funding one from each c…

In Japan at least, there is a very different mainstream cultural perception of 'startups'. It is basically not OK to try one and fail - you do not get credit for trying, and it can have a significant negative impact on your career if you do not succeed. There is a small, fairly tight-knit community within which this is obviously not the case, but mainstream Japanese culture still takes a conservative, and predominant…

And by "significantly negative" read "You have forever passed on the opportunity to work at any Japanese megacorp." Think of an alternate universe America where AmaGooBookSoft did substantially all of the hiring at universities and if, on the day you were invited to interview, you said "Oh I am exploring a startup so I don't want a job this minute" that barred you from them for life:

Re: We Just Thought, 'This Is How You Start a Company in America'

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post #19

"We started in January 2012, and may still be the only Asian YC founders ever." So that is not true. 9gag is from Hong Kong. Semantics3 is from Singapore. Strikingly is from China. Memebox is from Korea. Cleartax is from India. Those are just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more. That being said, I actually would love to see more Asian startups applying to Y Combinator. We should be funding one from each c…

My Chinese friend says that the reason there isn't a startup culture in China can easily be explained by guanxi. Specifically, for Chinese people there's no obligation to not rip off an investor (especially a foreign one), and the reverse is assumed true too.

Re: We Just Thought, 'This Is How You Start a Company in America'

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"Three days into joining YC, we decided to pivot. We’d been working on the dating site for six months at that point, and we knew it wasn’t working... Also, I’d read a study that said happy employees are twice as productive as unhappy employees. That was the beginning of AnyPerk." After all the flak the word 'pivot' has gotten I'm surprised to see it used this way here. This does not seem like a pivot, but rather you…

Presumably "the team" and "being in YC". Which is reasonable -- you're in a program with a time-limit, together in a foreign land, and you realise the idea you had isn't going anywhere. So they took their advantages (time in YC remaining) and applied them to a different problem/application.

Re: We Just Thought, 'This Is How You Start a Company in America'

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Is it just me or do other people also find the idea of pivoting after three months really troubling ?

I've seen two kinds of people creating start ups so far : business school guys and "real job" guys. The first type are really focused to one thing : making money. The second type have a passion for their skills and had an idea on how to improve something in their field.

The first type can pivot to about anything, because ultimately the product is just a mean of getting rich. The second type feels the need for their product in their every day life. So profitable or not, they really want that thing done.

Somehow i've always found the "real job" type the most interesting to work with.

Edit : business school guys doesn't mean you went to a business school. It's just a mind set. Same for "real job", i mostly mean passionate about one specific personnal need.

Re: We Just Thought, 'This Is How You Start a Company in America'

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post #53

Can someone explain AnyPerk to me? Is it just a middleman for employee perks? What is the added value? Why couldn't a company look at their landing page and say "thats a good idea, I should buy my employees movie passes", but not sign up for AnyPerk?

I worked in a Japanese megacorp which used the local systems available for doing this. From the corporation's perspective, it costs rat spit to buy a very wide selection of perks for their entire employee base and they don't have to spend any time managing it.

I never once took advantage of anything in the booklet, as I was a salaryman and all of my waking hours were spoken for, which is one reason why prevailing rates for this are so low in Japan. Still, had I wanted to take advantage of the movie pass perk (50% off a ticket at a local chain), the process would have been "Call a toll-free number or log onto the website, speak with a rep for a minute, give her my membership number and the address of a local convenience store, and then consummate the transaction there." Note that at no point have I inconvenienced my HR department.

(Your offer as a perk broker to vendors is "Will you cut us a deal on N units of your service if we bring you happy, well-behaved, middle class paying customers with lots of disposable income?" The conversation goes like this: "Hello hotel chain corporate sales department. Can we buy 100 nights in your off season?" "OH YES YOU CAN." "Great! Make it worth our while." "WE CAN DO THAT." "And we'd prefer 30 day net payment terms, counting after use." "Umm could you maybe pre-pay for the whole block?" "100 nights." "30 day net it is!")

Re: We Just Thought, 'This Is How You Start a Company in America'

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post #19

"We started in January 2012, and may still be the only Asian YC founders ever." So that is not true. 9gag is from Hong Kong. Semantics3 is from Singapore. Strikingly is from China. Memebox is from Korea. Cleartax is from India. Those are just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more. That being said, I actually would love to see more Asian startups applying to Y Combinator. We should be funding one from each c…

Duly noted.. let's have a coffee when you're in the area again and review some vests
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