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Re: You broke the internet. We'll make ourselves a GNU one

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Post by newbish »

pessimizer wrote: post #17
_reality_check_ wrote: post #9

The name "GNU" and its abhorrent pronunciation has been such a branding failure on the part of the free software movent. Yet, the creators continue to wonder why those outside the tech world approach these issues with a high level of apathy. A movement filled with in-jokes and "geeky humor" will never gain the support from the general public desperately needed for real change.

GNU and the GPL entirely changed the face of computing. Your branding expertise is untested.

20 years ago. Still waiting on HURD by the way and when was the last time anyone outside of the hard core techs referred to Linux as GNU\Linux

Re: You broke the internet. We'll make ourselves a GNU one

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Post by jszymborski »

Aloha wrote: post #7

How is XMPP breaking the internet? It's an open protocol, with free and open implementations.

Dunno why you're being downvoted. XMPP, other than being the bomb, is open.

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6121 http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6120

Re: You broke the internet. We'll make ourselves a GNU one

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Post by Animats »

That web site has the worst of both worlds. It has "modern" minimalist design optimized for cell phones, with lots of colored blank space, low contrast between text and background, and few links. Then the content is GNU-quality, strong on code and mechanism and weak on design intent.

The site seems to be a plug for this video:

https://gnunet.org/ghm2014knock

This proposes a port-knocking scheme to deter port scanning. 20 minutes of sickly yellow on purple PowerPoint. That's an idea of limited value; port-knocking is security by obscurity. Any widespread use of port-knocking implies it will be known to attackers.

They have a legislative program. It's here:

http://youbroketheinternet.org/legislation/

1999 called. It wants the BLINK tag back.

The legislative proposal is to require end to end cell phone encryption plus onion routing for all phones. Maybe for other devices; there are sections in the document labelled "Fixme" on that. Specific encryption standards are specified; unclear if those are good choices or not. The overhead and lag for onion routing for voice would be high.

It's worth having this out there, but it's not a plan, it's a collection of stuff in search of a plan.

Re: You broke the internet. We'll make ourselves a GNU one

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Post by pessimizer »

newbish wrote: post #21
pessimizer wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GNU and the GPL entirely changed the face of computing. Your branding expertise is untested.

20 years ago. Still waiting on HURD by the way and when was the last time anyone outside of the hard core techs referred to Linux as GNU\Linux

The point is that GNU has been wildly successful and has advanced technology on a species-wide basis. I'm not sure what more you think it owes you.

Re: You broke the internet. We'll make ourselves a GNU one

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Post by duskwuff »

Aloha wrote: post #7

How is XMPP breaking the internet? It's an open protocol, with free and open implementations.

There's a ridiculous number of open protocols and technologies shown in red, as if they're something terrible:

• "Web Browser / WebRTC / AJAX"

• "NNTP / IRC" (completely unrelated, but shown together)

• "X.509 / DNS & DANE / SMTP & XMPP / Federation" (again, all mostly unrelated technologies)

Bonus points to "Faceboogle". Really?

Re: You broke the internet. We'll make ourselves a GNU one

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Post by _reality_check_ »

pessimizer wrote: post #24
newbish wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

20 years ago. Still waiting on HURD by the way and when was the last time anyone outside of the hard core techs referred to Linux as GNU\Linux

The point is that GNU has been wildly successful and has advanced technology on a species-wide basis. I'm not sure what more you think it owes you.

Yes, but the point actually being made is that the name GNU (GNU's Not Unix) is esoteric && dated. Notwithstanding the org's prior accomplishments of course.

Re: You broke the internet. We'll make ourselves a GNU one

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Post by stackTrase »

pessimizer wrote: post #17
_reality_check_ wrote: post #9

The name "GNU" and its abhorrent pronunciation has been such a branding failure on the part of the free software movent. Yet, the creators continue to wonder why those outside the tech world approach these issues with a high level of apathy. A movement filled with in-jokes and "geeky humor" will never gain the support from the general public desperately needed for real change.

GNU and the GPL entirely changed the face of computing. Your branding expertise is untested.

GNU has survived in spite of itself and not because of it's message. It succeeds because the products under the GNU umbrella are world class. Very few people and a good portion of the technical community does not subscribe to the ideology or is just not interested in it. Hell, even Linus isn't completely subscribed to the GNU philosophy. He made sideshows in Microsoft Powerpoint at Linux presentations in the early days.

Re: You broke the internet. We'll make ourselves a GNU one

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Post by belorn »

newbish wrote: post #21
pessimizer wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GNU and the GPL entirely changed the face of computing. Your branding expertise is untested.

20 years ago. Still waiting on HURD by the way and when was the last time anyone outside of the hard core techs referred to Linux as GNU\Linux

When was the last time anyone outside of the hard core techs referred to Android as Linux?

The name has been pushed towards distributions and products a long time ago.

Re: You broke the internet. We'll make ourselves a GNU one

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Post by Aloha »

duskwuff wrote: post #25
Aloha wrote: post #7

How is XMPP breaking the internet? It's an open protocol, with free and open implementations.

There's a ridiculous number of open protocols and technologies shown in red, as if they're something terrible: • "Web Browser / WebRTC / AJAX" • "NNTP / IRC" (completely unrelated, but shown together) • "X.509 / DNS & DANE / SMTP & XMPP / Federation" (again, all mostly unrelated technologies) Bonus points to "Faceboogle". Really ?

I've always preferred twitterbook, e.g. "I posted on the twitterbooks when I was down in portland, but not one responded"
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