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Re: Calories in, calories out

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Post by cauterized »

pygy_ wrote: post #97
wfjackson wrote: post #12

Gut bacteria are a big confounder among a bunch of other things. Different types can do a lot of things differently, like extract more calories from the same food. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-09/ci-gbi091012.... They can even mess with your mind to make you crave junk food. http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2014/08/116526/do-gut-bacteria-rule... Transplanting them from a thin human to an obese mice slimmed the…

Gut bacteria (specifically e. coli ) have recently been identified as the root cause of both anorexia and bulimia [0]. I submited that paper here with no luck when it came out two weeks ago. —— [0] Bacterial ClpB heat-shock protein, an antigen-mimetic of the anorexigenic peptide α-MSH, at the origin of eating disorders http://www.nature.com/tp/journal/v4/n10/full/tp201498a.html

Causative? Or correlated? Couldn't the causation go the other direction? (Would just read the paper but it won't load on this phone.)

Re: Calories in, calories out

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Post by cauterized »

autokad wrote: post #50
wfjackson wrote: post #12

Gut bacteria are a big confounder among a bunch of other things. Different types can do a lot of things differently, like extract more calories from the same food. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-09/ci-gbi091012.... They can even mess with your mind to make you crave junk food. http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2014/08/116526/do-gut-bacteria-rule... Transplanting them from a thin human to an obese mice slimmed the…

actually, almost ANY diet works. if you are over weight and reduce your calorie intake: you.will.loose.weight.period. people have a tendency to either not adhere to the diet over time or not partake in the diet at all by listening to people say: all these other magical factors effect your weight, why bother? negative platitudes if you will. 'its not that 4000 calorie a day diet that is making you fat, its genetics!'…

> actually, almost ANY diet works. if you are over weight and reduce your calorie intake: you.will.loose.weight.period.

This is absolutely false.

1) there's of course the obvious cas where you're consuming 5000 kcal/day and burning 2500, and then cut that to 4000 kcal consumed -- still gonna gain, albeit more slowly.

2) less obviously but perhaps more importantly, reducing caloric intake can reduce metabolism (because your body thinks food is more scarce) and therefore also reduce calories out!

3) the types of foods you eat help determine whether your body stores the energy as fat -- which is triggered by insulin. Replacing fat calories with sugar calories (as was done extensively in the late 20th C rush to low fat foods) even if the total caloric intake is slightly lower can actually accelerate weight gain.

Re: Calories in, calories out

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Post by thomaskcr »

randomsearch wrote: post #119
thomaskcr wrote: post #28

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You're totally right, and even over some long period of time your losses from extra muscle will be dwarfed your losses due to lifestyle changes. My philosophy is that if you don't enjoy your health regime, whether its a diet, running, lifting, crossfit (I know, booooo) or some combination -- you're going to give it up as soon as possible. Lifting is something that I think a lot of people find enjoyable because it rea…

> crossfit (I know, booooo) Why the "boo"? Just interested to know. I don't do crossfit!

Lots of people just hate crossfit for various reasons -- most of it stems from the fact that they combine speed and strength, and a lot of athletes will sacrifice form for speed which can cause injuries.

The other reason is that crossfit is the Harvard of workouts -- you'll know someone is doing it because they'll tell you, constantly. My girlfriend hates it because people talk about it constantly on facebook.

I personally like to add some work-cap style workouts occasionally. I like their test workouts and a lot of their workouts are fun to adjust and add to my normal cycles. As with a lot of things, if you don't focus on doing it correctly and police yourself - you're opening yourself up to injury.

We have a crossfit gym near work I've been meaning to try out - I don't really have any problems with the program, the haters are just very passionate and vocal on the internet about their feelings towards the program.

Re: Calories in, calories out

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Post by pygy_ »

cauterized wrote: post #191
pygy_ wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gut bacteria (specifically e. coli ) have recently been identified as the root cause of both anorexia and bulimia [0]. I submited that paper here with no luck when it came out two weeks ago. —— [0] Bacterial ClpB heat-shock protein, an antigen-mimetic of the anorexigenic peptide α-MSH, at the origin of eating disorders http://www.nature.com/tp/journal/v4/n10/full/tp201498a.html

Causative? Or correlated? Couldn't the causation go the other direction? (Would just read the paper but it won't load on this phone.)

Causative. The full text is available in HTML for free, what kind of phone are you using?

Re: Calories in, calories out

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Post by grecy »

iopq wrote: post #78
grecy wrote: post #64

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> The degree of difficulty in (not) eating an additional (something) You've missed the entire point. Never once has it ever been said you should eat less. Just eat less calories, not less quantity. (This reply is so important I replied to two different people with it)

You think you're being clever, but you're really not. Your body measures the calories you've consumed, not quantity.

Nothing clever about it.

I'm just following the Weight Watchers formula, which I've personally seen hundreds of people lose thousands of pounds using.

I've seen people completely shocked they're "allowed" to eat virtually unlimited quantities of salad and fruit while still losing enormous quantities of weight.

I honestly believe the vast majority of people who are struggling to lose weight really have no idea about the different between "quantity of food" and "amount of calories".

Re: Calories in, calories out

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Post by iopq »

illegalsmile wrote: post #181
iopq wrote: post #79

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I lifted weights for four years and I have not gained even ten pounds of muscle, so less than a 40 calorie a day change. Less than four pounds a year difference.

I have to assume that gaining mass/muscle/strength wasn't the intention of your weight lifting then. I can't imagine you're much stronger than you were 3 years ago which if that's what you're going for is just fine.

It was my intention, but I wasn't very successful. I even tried bulking pretty hard, but the gains were mostly in fat with very small gains in strength/muscle.

Re: Calories in, calories out

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Post by nkozyra »

iopq wrote: post #84
nkozyra wrote: post #35

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Actually, thermodynamics and the conservation of energy is absolutely a factor - the questions you're bringing up have to do with the way we measure that energy usage and potential, not with the fact that energy is either used (stored) or expelled. The efficacy of metabolism is in my opinion very much the big question mark here, and why I think relying on one-size-fits-all concepts like "a carbohydrate translates to…

No, actually carbohydrates are extremely easily digested and used as energy directly by your muscles and other tissues. Fats are also easily digested and used as energy primarily when you sleep. It's protein that's hard to quantify (how much is converted to glucose? how much does it cost to generate 1 gram of tissue? how many calories does it take to digest?)

I'm confused, where did I say carbohydrates are not easily digested?

Re: Calories in, calories out

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Post by Terr_ »

domdip wrote: post #47
wfjackson wrote: post #12

Gut bacteria are a big confounder among a bunch of other things. Different types can do a lot of things differently, like extract more calories from the same food. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-09/ci-gbi091012.... They can even mess with your mind to make you crave junk food. http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2014/08/116526/do-gut-bacteria-rule... Transplanting them from a thin human to an obese mice slimmed the…

> There are more gut bacteria than human cells in our body "[That] is technically true, in the sense that Vin Diesel is outnumbered by a small bag of crickets." http://carcinisation.com/2014/08/14/science-journalism-march...

Alternately, if your body was the world, the nation of "You" would be a single unified hyperpower formed by the intermarried populations of China, India, the USA, and the next 100 biggest countries.

The "Microbe Nations" would be Monaco all the other table-top countries and tiny one-man-on-an-island republics, and they would also fight amongst themselves.

Re: Calories in, calories out

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Post by induscreep »

Anyone have insight on how "my thyroid" affects weight gain/loss? As in, does TDEE decrease when something is wrong with the thyroid? If a typical TDEE is 2200 calories, then with thyroid problems, will it go down to 1500, or is 2100 a more likely figure?

Re: Calories in, calories out

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Post by induscreep »

gitaarik wrote: post #131

Since nobody has mentioned it yet, there's a diet called "The Hacker's Diet" [0] that is based upon this calorie in/out theory. The website also has a simple webapp where you can create your own chart to track your weight. Personally I think this is a great way to control your weight. The diet doesn't say anything about what to eat, just how much (in calories). It doesn't necessarily make it easier, but it does give…

Diets are more about getting people to not feel hungry. This is done by reducing carbs, and increasing fat/protein. So, people won't "feel hungry" on a low carb diet, and thus, they are less likely to binge or gorge on some snack.
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