How to become a programmer, or the art of Googling well

Post by Kenji » Fri, Oct 24, 2014, 5:43 PM UTC

joslin01 wrote: post #112

Kenji wrote: post #70

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I am well aware of that, being a CS student myself. However, those things are expected to be learned alongside. There won't be lectures about it but hand-on exercises will be impossible without them.

Lol that's not true either. How would hands-on exercises be impossible without Heroku? Haha. You know what I did in my CS classes? Wrote my own server in C. That's real CS, which is very focused on deep understanding -- not domain knowledge in software tools. You should ditch the attitude. Your first comment wasn't even necessary. You were just looking to feel good about yourself.

Post by stonewhite » Fri, Oct 24, 2014, 5:52 PM UTC

sehr wrote: post #64

stonewhite wrote: post #27

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Because programming != web programming, and sure as hell HTML/CSS is not programming. About javascript(vanilla js), nobody even wants touch it anymore. Almost anybody who interacts with javascript code does it with a 5 foot stick(coffescript, clojurescript), and/or behind huge frameworks that protects you from its perils. Something that is more usable and understandable in its barebones state like python makes more s…

I think you're severely overestimating the number of people who use a compile to language

Post by dllthomas » Fri, Oct 24, 2014, 5:59 PM UTC

FreeFull wrote: post #145

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"Actually, it was." No, it wasn't. Read it more carefully. You may be right about the beliefs of the author, and I don't endorse the entirety of the comment, but "web programming is not programming" was not said anywhere there, and the principle of charity would suggest you should at least make sure that is what the author was trying to convey before lambasting them for it. "If you read the rest of the parent's comme…

Isn't TeX/LaTeX turing complete? I'm pretty sure people have done things like implementing an emulator in LaTeX.

Post by penprog » Fri, Oct 24, 2014, 6:23 PM UTC

enraged_camel wrote: post #139

dllthomas wrote: post #133

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Um, that bit alone should be uncontroversial. Two sets are only equal if they contain precisely the same members. "There is no programming except for web programming" reeks of more elitism (in that it is more restrictive) than "there is programming that is not web programming". "Web programming is not programming" is another matter, but that's not actually what was said.

>>"Web programming is not programming" is another matter, but that's not actually what was said. Actually, it was. If you read the rest of the parent's comment, he completes that sentence with: "...and sure as hell HTML/CSS is not programming." So it's pretty clear from the way the sentence is written that the parent has clearly established some sort of hierarchy in his mind, and what he actually meant was, "web prog…

Post by mentalbastille » Fri, Oct 24, 2014, 7:42 PM UTC

penprog wrote: post #147

cushychicken wrote: post #89

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What an uncharitable response to someone who had a legitimate revelation and used it as a catalyst for personal growth! Software development is intimidating to outsiders - of course it's a privilege to be on the inside. (Or at least it appears that way.) This isn't a complaint about an unlevel playing field - it's an awakening on how to get better at doing something you love.

What does it even mean to be on the inside? Nobody in my family had any experience with computers. My first programming book was a gift for me when I was ten that I asked for (it was a learn C++ in 24 hours book). You can imagine how that turned out with nobody there to help me. I didn't understand what variables were let alone how to add the compiler to the path on windows. The only help I had was that my dad bought…