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Re: Airbnb valued at $13B ahead of staff stock sale

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I cannot see anything that costs $13 billion in that company. I am probably bad at pricing.

Same here. Aside from taking care of transactions, which is easy to imitate, I don't see what sets Airbnb apart from other vacation rental websites. They are not fundamentally different. Yes, they have a large userbase, but that's easily threatenable considering their fees and lack of distinction. I must be missing something.

A website like this lives and dies on their inventory more then their userbase. AirBnB doesn't have a listing fee, which differentiated them from traditional vacation rental places like VRBO. How is a competitor going to get a competitive inventory?

Re: Airbnb valued at $13B ahead of staff stock sale

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We all consider AirBnb old hat, but I'm constantly running into people who have never heard of it when we mention we used it on a recent vacation. Even an Uber driver we used on that trip, in Seattle, had never heard of AirBnb.

That suggests a lot of future growth.

Re: Airbnb valued at $13B ahead of staff stock sale

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I always see these people commenting on how they don't see the value in Airbnb. I've gotta say, after staying at a few places, I don't see the value anywhere else. * Hilton Worldwide has yearly revenues of $9.7b. * Marriott International has yearly revenues of $11.8b. * Best Western has yearly revenues of $6b. Now, I don't know what their current revenues are. Based on how many people from all over the US I've spoken…

Remember when you are looking at hotel chain valuations that they generally don't own the hotels, but just franchise the brand. There are other large companies involved that own the hotels.

While that can be true, some get a fair amount of money out of their owned (or ones they actively manage) properties. Franchisees are quite important and contribute a lot in fees (lots of fees...) as you point out but don't discount the still owned properties, many of which are significant buildings by themselves.

Re: Airbnb valued at $13B ahead of staff stock sale

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Does it seem like we're in another Internet bubble to anyone else?

I'm no expert, but I don't think so yet. At the minute it seems that pretty much all the money is coming from large, well financed entities - venture capital firms and large corporations such as facebook and google. These are large firms who are much not so much subject to emotional impulse and more focused on growth and the bottom line. They are playing a strategic game.

Very little of this is coming from an overly hyped up general populace. The NASDAQ is increasing, but it is a fairly slow steady increase compared to the other indices - nothing like the crazy rocketing we saw in 1999. There are few IPO's and they are mostly of relatively stable and profitable companies.

Re: Airbnb valued at $13B ahead of staff stock sale

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I always see these people commenting on how they don't see the value in Airbnb. I've gotta say, after staying at a few places, I don't see the value anywhere else. * Hilton Worldwide has yearly revenues of $9.7b. * Marriott International has yearly revenues of $11.8b. * Best Western has yearly revenues of $6b. Now, I don't know what their current revenues are. Based on how many people from all over the US I've spoken…

>Remember: These valuations aren't for what a company is currently worth. Otherwise, there's no point to investment. They valuations are for where they see the company going, and more probably, growing past.

Nit pick: a valuation is what a company is currently worth. That current worth us just based on anticipated future cash flows.

Re: Airbnb valued at $13B ahead of staff stock sale

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Same here. Aside from taking care of transactions, which is easy to imitate, I don't see what sets Airbnb apart from other vacation rental websites. They are not fundamentally different. Yes, they have a large userbase, but that's easily threatenable considering their fees and lack of distinction. I must be missing something.

A website like this lives and dies on their inventory more then their userbase. AirBnB doesn't have a listing fee, which differentiated them from traditional vacation rental places like VRBO. How is a competitor going to get a competitive inventory?

By being cheaper and by doing what AirBNB did - scrapping and spamming.

Re: Airbnb valued at $13B ahead of staff stock sale

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I think you severely underestimate how important it is to have a monopoly on the market. FB's main asset is also its userbase, so by that reasoning they are easy to emulate. It's not that people haven't tried that, but it doesn't work.

Facebook is a free website, and it has massive technical advantages over all its competitors. It's integrated everywhere, the feature set is incredible, and it basically dictates our model of online social networks. Airbnb ultimately depends on how much renters, and indirectly seekers, are willing to pay. Its brand is not as well established as Facebook's (at least in my country). If a compelling alternative came up…

The brand is well established, and outside the US too.

Here in the UK Airbnb passes the random friend check, random non-techies know what it is and have used it. In fact I'm often surprised by the people that have.

Re: Airbnb valued at $13B ahead of staff stock sale

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I always see these people commenting on how they don't see the value in Airbnb. I've gotta say, after staying at a few places, I don't see the value anywhere else. * Hilton Worldwide has yearly revenues of $9.7b. * Marriott International has yearly revenues of $11.8b. * Best Western has yearly revenues of $6b. Now, I don't know what their current revenues are. Based on how many people from all over the US I've spoken…

"Furthermore, as much as there are local law issues in places like NYC against them, I don't anticipate those lasting long or having a large effect on their revenues."

If this is true, it will also apply to their competitors, right? Either the prices of Marriott will fall if/when they stop charging some crazy-expensive taxes on their guests, or AirBnb will have to start paying/charging for those taxes. One way or another, it'll change. Right now, one of AirBnb's advantages is that they are ignoring zoning restrictions and the like; either those restrictions will go away or they'll have to play by those rules.

To me, the biggest thing AirBnb has going for them is that they are choosing to play fast-and-loose with the laws, and hoping that they can grow fast enough to change them (similar to Uber). That gives them a huge advantage against the established businesses who have to play by the rules. Marriott can't just say "we're going to build a giant hotel in this area that isn't zoned for it", but AirBnb can hide behind its hosts because presumably they hold all the liability.

I imagine there will be some pushback at some point where AirBnb presumably makes most of their money: in big metropolitan areas. In Boston, where I'm at, these are generally illegal/against rental policies. People tend to look the other way for now, but at some point it might become a bigger issue. For me, personally, when I was setting up my condo association, myself & the other owners specifically wrote it into our documents that AirBnb and short-term-rentals are NOT allowed without prior authorization.

On a separate note, I wonder what percentage of the hotel revenue is business travel. I know in companies I've worked for in the past, they had some pretty good deals set up with hotel chains, so no matter where you traveled, you stayed at whatever the preferred chain was.

Re: Airbnb valued at $13B ahead of staff stock sale

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what about future competition? what's to stop 100 other people starting similar websites?

Sadly, network effects. The same reason that eBay doesn't have any serious competitors, despite the awful experience they offer.

What's so awful about eBay? I have always been able to find pretty much exactly what I want at a reasonable price.

Re: Airbnb valued at $13B ahead of staff stock sale

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Sadly, network effects. The same reason that eBay doesn't have any serious competitors, despite the awful experience they offer.

What's so awful about eBay? I have always been able to find pretty much exactly what I want at a reasonable price.

It's great for buyers. It's awful for sellers. They charge massive fees and offer virtually no protection against buyer fraud.
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