> It’s pretty easy to look at these messages and see young males acting out She "knows" their gender, I'm surprised she can't also see that they're white...
they oughta check their privilege.
A Natural A/B Test of Harassment
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Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm commenting to register my frustration with what I call the "harm reductionism fallacy". At it's most extreme point, it can be parodied to something like "You have no right to complain about a problem in your privileged life because people are starving in $COUNTRY" In all it's forms, it's a sort of ridicule directed towards people trying to make their lives better. I believe people have the right to complain about…
The impassioned hysteria over 'ethics in video game journalism' is the problematic part, not the issue itself. And, to be frank, that ridiculous level of hysteria makes it clear that it's not really about ethics in video game journalism. No-one is dead or has been maimed by it. Lives aren't destroyed by it. Basically, it's a good example of dog whistle politics, using a term that is more palatable to push a less pala…
> The impassioned hysteria over 'ethics in video game journalism' is the problematic part, not the issue itself.
The fact that people like you are saying that others have no right to be concerned and angry about unethical journalism is the reason for the impassioned hysteria in the first place.
> And, to be frank, that ridiculous level of hysteria makes it clear that it's not really about ethics in video game journalism.
Really? Tens of publications proclaim gamers dead in unison and you expect a large diverse group of people to be completely calm about it.
Edit: Senseless downvotes don't make you right.
Edit 2: I am taking downvotes personally because I only see white comments for trolling and spamming on HN.
Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gamergate claims to be about journalistic integrity. I hear the names of women, but never the male journalists. > Maybe, but let's not forget what incident started Gamergate: Zoe Quinn; an entitled, unethical, and hypocritical developer (female or otherwise). You're spreading the same lies.
> Gamergate claims to be about journalistic integrity. I hear the names of women, but never the male journalists. And let's not forget: most of the women who have been attacked have little to nothing to do with journalism. Felicia Day is an actress, for crying out loud!
If you read "journalistic" as "has an opinion in public" and integrity as "is not a woman", then it all makes sense. The victims are women, they had an opinion in public.
Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
According to the article, the author received one unwanted message every 50 days. How is it "cognitive dissonance" or "denial" to describe pressing delete every 50 days as a minor problem? Note that in a typical 2 week period, I probably get more than 36 recruiter spams. Could you concretely explain what you feel is being denied?
One every 50 days is 1) The absolute, lowest, background radiation level, of men hassling women. 2) Even despite that, demonstrably worse that what men get. This is not the norm. This is what's still left when the volume of a woman's public presence is dialled down to infinitesimal above zero. Normal is way worse.
So the average woman gets more harassment than a woman running a popular gaming site? That seems to contradict the narrative that gaming is full of trolls.
Do you have data suggesting that the average woman receives anything close to recruiter levels of unwanted mail, or is this just a guess?
Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I've heard about Gamergate in a couple of wildly different contexts. What's the deal with it?
The extreme nutshell version is that a female indie game developer supposedly slept with a male video game journalist, and this supposedly let to favorable coverage for her game that would not have happened otherwise. The surface phenomenon is that a lot of people united under the banner of #gamergate to protest this breach of journalistic ethics. The dark side is that it seems like it's really just a bunch of people…
Those are the stated reasons.
It's worth noting no such review was ever written for Zoe Quinn's game.
GamerGate has now doxxed and threatened a number of women in the gaming world (developers, critics, actresses) and Phil Fish the creator of Fez. They publicly organize to drive advertisers away from publications which disagree with them or call Gamergate out as misogynistic or threatening.
Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you're seriously equating getting an unwanted job offer with a threat of sexual violence? What?
In either case i lose 1-3 seconds of my day pressing delete (note that I have received threats of sexual violence, and delete worked on them too). So yes. If you feel differently I'd be curious to hear why.
The psychological impact of "I'll drink your blood out of your c--- after I rip it open" [1] is very different from that of recruiter spam.
Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I've heard about Gamergate in a couple of wildly different contexts. What's the deal with it?
The extreme nutshell version is that a female indie game developer supposedly slept with a male video game journalist, and this supposedly let to favorable coverage for her game that would not have happened otherwise. The surface phenomenon is that a lot of people united under the banner of #gamergate to protest this breach of journalistic ethics. The dark side is that it seems like it's really just a bunch of people…
Don't think anyone understands a long-running complex topic by giving it a passing glance.
http://techraptor.net/content/understanding-pro-anti-gamerga...
Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are six categories of harassment, all of which are online. In three of them, men are higher by a small margin. In two of them, women are ahead by a significant margin, and in one ahead by a small margin. So yes, by and large, women are more harassed online. I never said otherwise. What I said is that, based on my experience, women (while they are over-represented) are not as over-represented when it comes to ha…
common perception seems to be that women face a level of harassment hugely disproportionate to that experienced by men, however studies don't show such a large gap #1) The study shows that 4x as many women than man have been stalked. It also shows that 2x as many women have experienced sexual harassment compared to men. #2) This data shows % of people that have ever been harassed. It doesn't quantify the amount of ha…
Online harassment is not a small problem at all. It's a problem that definitely needs to be addressed, and women do see more of a specific type of harassment, which aligns nicely with what I said in my original post: "women clearly have it worse in terms of targeted sexual harassment."
Like I said, it's interestingly overstated, though. Both you and andrewvc are engaging in the same type of cherrypicking I'm accused of -- All of your posts statistics relate to men and women of ages 18 to 24 only.
The actual data for all women and all men tells a slightly different story[1]: 1.5x the stalking, and 1.75x the sexual harassment. This isn't great, it's positively shameful, but you're also exaggerating the aggregate problem by up to twice as much as the statistics show. To me, this very conversation seems evidence that communities make the harassment look disproportionate, but perhaps I'm just suffering from "cognitive dissonance".
[1] http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/online-harassment/pi_2...
Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
The extreme nutshell version is that a female indie game developer supposedly slept with a male video game journalist, and this supposedly let to favorable coverage for her game that would not have happened otherwise. The surface phenomenon is that a lot of people united under the banner of #gamergate to protest this breach of journalistic ethics. The dark side is that it seems like it's really just a bunch of people…
Those are the stated reasons. It's worth noting no such review was ever written for Zoe Quinn's game. GamerGate has now doxxed and threatened a number of women in the gaming world (developers, critics, actresses) and Phil Fish the creator of Fez. They publicly organize to drive advertisers away from publications which disagree with them or call Gamergate out as misogynistic or threatening.
There's the Intel vice president who told me via email that GamerGate was "doing great work" and that he was "sick of slander and self-loathing from the press". He was talking about male journalists who do misandrist feminists' work for them.
"I am pressing that team, it's not mine, but I am exerting influence when I can, to stop spending money with people who hate themselves and hate our clients," he added by phone later.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/23/Gawker-...
Intels own words. Are you saying they're misogynists or threatening because they agree with GamerGate?
Besides it's the media that pushing away their advertisers, not just gamergate. They turned on their advertisers after them wanting to distance themselves from pro-bullying, sexist & racist articles/messages.
Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
In either case i lose 1-3 seconds of my day pressing delete (note that I have received threats of sexual violence, and delete worked on them too). So yes. If you feel differently I'd be curious to hear why.
The psychological impact of "I'll drink your blood out of your c--- after I rip it open" [1] is very different from that of recruiter spam. [1] https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/504718160902492160
Tl;dr its all in the mind of the receiver (aka psychological). Though I suspect that by rephrasing the exact same thing you said, I shall be down voted to [dead] shortly.