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Zuckerberg Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind

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Re: Zuckerberg Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind

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It comes down to:

(1) Chinese people are blown away when a Westerner speaks Chinese, and (2) Americans are blown away by anyone who speaks Chinese.

I have been taking daily Mandarin lessons for the last few months, since I'm traveling increasingly often to Beijing to teach programming classes (in English), and want to be able to communicate more easily with my students and colleagues. I'm having a super-fun time with it, and definitely feel like I'm making progress. It's slow progress, but it's something.

My friends in the US and Israel seem to think I'm some kind of mutant super genius for being able to learn Chinese. I keep trying to tell them that a billion people have managed to do it, so it can't be that hard, but they are completely surprised that it's possible.

Moreover, even when I say something short and simple (with an undoubtedly very strong American accent and mediocre tones), my Chinese friends and colleagues are blown away, impressed by my ability to learn the language.

Zuckerberg seems to be where I hope to be in about a year or two -- namely, a with good vocabulary, decent but imperfect grammar, and a terrible accent. I can live with that.

The impressive thing here is the time needed to do this. Zuckerberg is a busy guy, and taking a few hours each week to study Mandarin isn't necessarily something that you would expect him to make time for. Then again, he just got married and doesn't yet have children. Hmm, maybe I am a mutant super genius for learning Chinese while married, consulting, and with three children...

Regardless, my wife took this news as proof that I'm doing the right thing. She's convinced that there will be even more people flocking to learn Mandarin, now that Zuckerberg has shown that it's possible.

Re: Zuckerberg Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind

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It didn't blow my mind. He learned a language, quite some people do that, even if the language is hard and remote. Headline disproven. Edit: it is impressive, as any language skill remote from you mother tongue. But I am not a fan of superlatives, especially if they indicate that I should take part in the appreciation. FWIW: German headline on the topic: "Facebook CEO [...] impresses students". http://www.spiegel.de/…

Quite a lot of people don't.

But quite a lot do, and do well, too. Why don't they deserve each a headline like this?

> csa[0] Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind

Doesn't seem to be interesting, does it. As long as you keep Zuckerberg (or Musk, or Gates, or Obama) in there, though…

> , Blows Everyone's Mind

…anything in place of “Speaks Mandarin” works.

Such canned formula headlines, and stories that primarily are newsworthy due to combination of elite persona and unexpectedness[1] just make me cringe, nice to know I'm not alone in this.

[0] Another HN user also commenting on this thread

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_values

Re: Zuckerberg Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

During my time in France, most people of my age where pretty frustrated that they didn't learn foreign languages properly at school and tried to compensate. For people in international companies, learning new languages on the job is also very normal, almost all companies have programs for that.

The vast, vast majority of employees working for American companies, even in an international deployment, don't tend to learn more than a few dozen catch phrases (Hello, Good Bye, How are you doing, where is the toilet, take me to the airport, etc...) for the country they are deployed to - they just hope everyone will speak english to them. I'm wondering if Mark is the first Fortune 500 CEO to ever learn a different…

I'm sorry that I don't share a US-centric world view, being from somewhere else. "all US minds blown", I cannot judge. But I also wouldn't be surprised if there are others learning languages during being a CEO - it's a good mental training and can be practiced almost everywhere just with some notes and a smartphone. It's just nothing you often practice or speak about in public.

For the people I know moving to different countries, learning the local language is usual.

All my foreign employees are by the way contractually obliged to learn my local tongue (on our cost and time, obviously).

Re: Zuckerberg Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind

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It didn't blow my mind. He learned a language, quite some people do that, even if the language is hard and remote. Headline disproven. Edit: it is impressive, as any language skill remote from you mother tongue. But I am not a fan of superlatives, especially if they indicate that I should take part in the appreciation. FWIW: German headline on the topic: "Facebook CEO [...] impresses students". http://www.spiegel.de/…

The current headline (for posterity: "Zuckerberg Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind") is very editorialised. Hopefully it gets changed.

The headline is reproduced on HN verbatim, by policy, even when it's a sub-clickhole one...

Re: Zuckerberg Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite a lot of people don't.

But quite a lot do, and do well, too. Why don't they deserve each a headline like this? > csa[0] Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind Doesn't seem to be interesting, does it. As long as you keep Zuckerberg (or Musk, or Gates, or Obama) in there, though… > , Blows Everyone's Mind …anything in place of “Speaks Mandarin” works. Such canned formula headlines, and stories that primarily are newsworthy due to combination…

Thanks for link [1] and the explanation. Much appreciated.

Re: Zuckerberg Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind

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post #3

It didn't blow my mind. He learned a language, quite some people do that, even if the language is hard and remote. Headline disproven. Edit: it is impressive, as any language skill remote from you mother tongue. But I am not a fan of superlatives, especially if they indicate that I should take part in the appreciation. FWIW: German headline on the topic: "Facebook CEO [...] impresses students". http://www.spiegel.de/…

> It didn't blow my mind. He learned a language, quite some people do that, even if the language is hard and remote.

Not sure that as a European I have a different view on things, but I very much agree with this comment.

Re: Zuckerberg Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind

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Reposted from here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8496518 A review of his Mandarin based on a close listen of the first 5 minutes of the video and listening to the rest in the background while I type this (let me know if it changes later): tl;dr - Definitely ILR 1+, probably an ILR 2. Pronunciation needs a ton of work, but that's not the only aspect that is measured when analyzing speech. The foreign policy ar…

A question if you will: What the hell is an ILR? Also yay I learned a word - circumlocution.

This: http://www.govtilr.org/skills/ILRscale1.htm I would imagine.

Re: Zuckerberg Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind

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It comes down to: (1) Chinese people are blown away when a Westerner speaks Chinese, and (2) Americans are blown away by anyone who speaks Chinese. I have been taking daily Mandarin lessons for the last few months, since I'm traveling increasingly often to Beijing to teach programming classes (in English), and want to be able to communicate more easily with my students and colleagues. I'm having a super-fun time with…

Or maybe "Americans are blown away by anyone who speaks another language?"

Re: Zuckerberg Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind

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Reposted from here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8496518 A review of his Mandarin based on a close listen of the first 5 minutes of the video and listening to the rest in the background while I type this (let me know if it changes later): tl;dr - Definitely ILR 1+, probably an ILR 2. Pronunciation needs a ton of work, but that's not the only aspect that is measured when analyzing speech. The foreign policy ar…

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