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Re: Google Inbox

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post #328

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I take offense to someone calling me a liar. Try typing this into a JS Console: var xx = []; xx[30000000]=42; var yy = xx.slice(0); It took almost a week to track down this problem where FF was taking 13 seconds to startup. We've spent a lot of time working on this and it is always in the cards to support this on all the other browsers. We've fixed tons of bugs and have gotten closer to it working the way it should,…

> Try typing this into a JS Console: var xx = []; xx[30000000]=42; var yy = xx.slice(0); What specific problems does this create that prevents you from shipping with a degraded experience? Or feature detect this problem and serve some type of notice. If bleeding-edge Chrome is the only browser good enough for this site then it's a problem with the site's architecture. > Any insinuation that this is an attempt to sell…

>What specific problems does this create that prevents you from shipping with a degraded experience?

It's not just a degraded experience as in 'turn off this feature', the bug in question affects the entire infrastructure of how the app works, since it is part of the message passing and serialization mechanism used. It's legal, standard, JS, that just happens to run slow.

In this case, a workaround is available, and it is already fixed, but not shipped, because we froze commits some time ago for launch.

> That's either a lie or incredibly naive. You wouldn't have shipped without iOS. Full-stop.

You mean like we didn't ship support for Android tablets? You would have thought with the big Android Lollipop and Nexus 9 launch, we would have made sure this worked there, right?

Maybe you should think about Hanlon's Razor as an explanation.

Re: Google Inbox

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What I always wonder - do people actually use email for private communication? Everybody uses email at work, but at home? From time to time I sign up for a new service or order something and get confirmation mails or I send a couple of emails back and forth to resolve an issue with a service I am using, but it is always between me and some business. The number of emails I have written to or received from friends is n…

Email is probably the main method of text communication with about half of my friends and relatives. Plus I have a few subscriptions, notifications etc.

Re: Google Inbox

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post #88

If you are using Google Apps Free edition, you're good to go. If you pay for Google Apps, you get shafted. Nice.

I have the old Google Apps Free edition and I apparently can't use Inbox, so there you go.

Same - the help page says it's not available at all for Google Apps accounts, only for personal Gmail accounts.

https://support.google.com/a/answer/6082718?rd=2

Since I only use my @gmail.com account for spam and have my own domain for personal emails, guess this is a no go for me. I was considering switching back to a personally hosted mailserver for privacy reasons anyway, would have liked to try this though.

Re: Google Inbox

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post #295

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That's a massive shame. Weird that Mailbox/Dropbox manages to do it with Gmail, but Google doesn't.

I believe it's intentional (for privacy/usability reasons), so that it's always clear which account's emails you are reading and which you are replying to. I don't think it's a technical issue.

I've certainly been caught out in that regard before.

But a 'advanced options' ability with a stern warning would be useful to many.

Re: Google Inbox

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The basic assumption behind this seems to be that marketing spam in email will keep increasing and instead of fighting against it, organising content around it is better approach.

Most people (who nowadays carry lot of personal/group communication around facebook/whatsapp) still get a lot of mails on product deals, newsletters etc. Email is also the tool for login, password recovery and for other utilities like that. Beyond that its the primary tool to do the most important thing : send a official mail to whoever concerned. May be to the president of country or to the school principal. Reducing the noise into this core tool should be of importance. Facebook/Whatsapp has take out a big chunk of casual and group communication, which is good. Something that could keep out the product marketing out of email could be of next good change.

I think the movement should be towards reducing the unwanted content in emails, than organising the unwanted.

Re: Google Inbox

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I wouldn't say I have a problem with email as it is today, but I am the exact opposite of you; I never archive or organize any of my email (besides rules for labeling email lists and groups so they directly bypass my inbox). I appear to have 11,600+ emails in my Gmail inbox. If I need something, I just search for it. As the Gmail search is really, really, good, I can pretty much instantly bring up any thread. I there…

Yeah, I have a 10 year old GMail account with hundreds of thousands of messages. I'm simply not organized enough to stay on top of sorting things into folders on the off chance I might need to search for it one day. Search is the easiest way to find anything anyway; but people developed sorting techniques because e-mail search is awful on local clients.

email search WAS awful on local clients, years ago.

Re: Google Inbox

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post #19

Congrats to Google on shipping! Side question: am I the only person fully satisfied by my email workflow? I practice inbox 0- if an email is in my inbox, it means something needs to be done about it (whether it's replying, filing a bug report, writing a patch, etc). Once it's done, it gets archived. I star the stuff that I'll need to refer to later, like tickets for a flight or concert. I then have a few server side…

inbox-0 or not, it is still very helpful to use the multiple inbox feature in gmail [0], I've separated mine into "inbox", "follow up", "upcoming events", "to read". this way the screen is utilized better and i can actually see agenda.. also archive them after moving so that inbox only has items that still need attention.. Most people probably don't realize the cognitive effort they waste on re-parsing the same messa…

I love Multiple Inbox for work emails, although for home I don't. My work email tends to get a bit cluttered during a project, but I try to get back to Inbox 0 when I get a moment to go through things.

My Multiple Inboxes are: Unread Inbox, Starred, Action/WaitingOn labels, Drafts and Unread (non-inbox). I had to add the last one as I was missing emails I hadn't read but had setup filters for. This deprioritizes them, but I still see them, and I can easily just mark them as read as they generally don't require much attention.

The other tip I'd say is learning the basics of keyboard shortcuts - I can open, assess and archive/delete an email very quickly because I use e/# (archive/delete respectively). I can burn through the unimportant emails very quickly that way.

Re: Google Inbox

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post #88

If you are using Google Apps Free edition, you're good to go. If you pay for Google Apps, you get shafted. Nice.

This is quickly becoming SOP... I'm still waiting for Google Now Gmail cards >:/

(And as a single-user apps account I don't even get the recently-released unlimited storage...)

Re: Google Inbox

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After a bit of use, I think I like it.

I was curious about the relation between Inbox and Gmail. My current Gmail has a lot of filters and labels.

When looking at the labels, you have the choice of displaying them as "Clusters" in your main inbox, which is pretty convenient.

I did that to my Friends label and it is now a Friends cluster.

Note that it doesn't change anything in Gmail: the label is still here, all the filters that interact with it are still here too.

I realized that one of my friends wasn't in the cluster, so I moved it in it, and clicked on "Always do this", it prompted me : "Always move emails from Myfriend@email.com to Friends" . 2 remarks about this:

- This is a very basic way of adding some emails from bundling, in the future I except to be able to specialize more: for instance sometimes I get important emails from a co-worker, but he also sends a daily reminder that I don't care so much about, I would like to be able to move it to the bundle “Useless updates” only it comes from him AND has this specific subject. That is something we can do through the Gmail filters, but not through the “Always do this” interface yet.

- Curiously it created a filter in my old Gmail filters with as a rule : " from:Myfriend@email.com Action: " The filter has no action, so I assume that when I will be receiving an email from that friend , in Inbox it will go into the good cluster, but in Gmail the label "Friend" won't be appended to it, this means that Gmail rules/filters apply to Inbox, but Inbox rules don’t apply to Gmail.

The Inbox's "Done" is doing the same thing as the Gmail's "Archive" .

I haven't been able to experience the snoozing feature yet

Re: Google Inbox

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It looks pretty, it looks like it might end the hide and seek with attachments on a smart phone client; not a problem on a desktop but I can never find the attachments in Gmail on the phone. I'm not sure I like that idea that it decides what's important and highlights it; probably because it would get it right most of the time. I could get used to it.
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