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Inside San Francisco's housing crisis

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Re: Inside San Francisco's housing crisis

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There is a interesting anti-correlation between this and Prop G. Prop G will be a retroactive tax applied to anyone who bought a multi unit building in SF in the last few years who would sell it the next few years. Tenants have no problem pushing this bill stating that buying a building does not entitle you to a lifelong contract and that 'things can change' which will negatively effect you. So even though you bought…

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Re: Inside San Francisco's housing crisis

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Because people believe that once they've lived somewhere long enough, they have a right to live there forever. There are a lot of issues with this article. It talks about the Ellis act as if it isn't standard in every other part of the country. (in fact, the only thing non-standard is the state of the world pre-ellis act, where landlords in california could never evict people and decide to stop being landlords )

The Ellis Act is kind of fucked up, dude. It's _not_ standard in every other part of the country. It pegs the buyout price of a unit by law, and hasn't been increased in quite a while. Compare to how it works in Brooklyn: If your landlord wants to evict you without cause, they must purchase your lease from you at a price which you can negotiate. It's much more difficult (and can be costlier) to evict you _for_ cause…

So what happens when the company that owns the property goes bankrupt because, say, it can't raise rents? Does the state step in and buy the property so everyone can live there?

If the company goes bankrupt then the building is probably put up for sale, and could get sold to a developer rather than another landlord right?

Seems like a fairly straightforward end-run around the law. You go bankrupt in your building and I'll buy it at auction for some price, and the reverse.

Unintended consequences are everywhere as a result of laws like this.

Re: Inside San Francisco's housing crisis

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These people still remember when you could graduate high school, go to work for GM for a few decades, and have the company pension to depend on in retirement. A suburban house with a white picket fence is somewhere in there too. Nowadays we're much more used to the at-will relationship. The employment only lasts until either the employee or the employer decides that things would be better off if the relationship ende…

What am I supposed to do, live in fear every day of my life that my job might disappear tomorrow?

I'm a grown adult who is perfectly capable of maintaining a savings account and investing in a network of peers who I could ask for help with acquiring another job. Why should that be my employer's responsibility?

Re: Inside San Francisco's housing crisis

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Loading extremely slowly for me. Google cache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6m1opf... After reading the article, this quote really jumped out at me: "I was going along, being a good citizen," Todd, now 52 years old, says. "I was a volunteer firefighter, I coached football and baseball, I was saving my money, doing everything you're supposed to do, being a single father, raising my daughter by…

"I don't think you would ever hear those words coming from a millennial." Probably because Millennials grew up knowing there were wolves just outside the gates, and that your employer might throw you to them at any time. We're the first generation of Americans, in quite some time, to have experienced one significant crash or stagnation after the next. There is no "normal" in the job market, the stock market, the hous…

This is an understandable but extremely ahistorical perspective. The reality is that the belief that wolves weren't outside the gates was a historical blip from the middle of the 20th century.

Re: Inside San Francisco's housing crisis

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There is a interesting anti-correlation between this and Prop G. Prop G will be a retroactive tax applied to anyone who bought a multi unit building in SF in the last few years who would sell it the next few years. Tenants have no problem pushing this bill stating that buying a building does not entitle you to a lifelong contract and that 'things can change' which will negatively effect you. So even though you bought…

As a non american looking at this from the outside this whole rental/tenant control looks like legislated communism.

As opposed to what other sort of communism?

Also, note that "Prop G" is more or less the opposite of legislative, it's a ballot initiative, direct democracy.

Re: Inside San Francisco's housing crisis

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Why don't these people just move to more affordable places?

How does a homeless person afford the travel to a "more affordable" place? (What does more affordable mean when they have no money?) Where do the nurses, teachers, security guards, waiters, shop assistants etc etc live?

I don't know how the homeless travel, but they do. After all, they get to SF somehow.

Re: Inside San Francisco's housing crisis

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Loading extremely slowly for me. Google cache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6m1opf... After reading the article, this quote really jumped out at me: "I was going along, being a good citizen," Todd, now 52 years old, says. "I was a volunteer firefighter, I coached football and baseball, I was saving my money, doing everything you're supposed to do, being a single father, raising my daughter by…

As a millennial, your attitude doesn't help you one bit. You're still unemployed, or slaving away at short term jobs with no upward mobility--you've just never known any better. Maybe his attitude smacks of "entitlement" (what a dirty word!) but at least he had the opportunity to work in an America where companies had to care at least a little about their employees (because outsourcing and automation had yet to destroy opportunities for ordinary people). So who exactly is the sucker?

Re: Inside San Francisco's housing crisis

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Loading extremely slowly for me. Google cache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6m1opf... After reading the article, this quote really jumped out at me: "I was going along, being a good citizen," Todd, now 52 years old, says. "I was a volunteer firefighter, I coached football and baseball, I was saving my money, doing everything you're supposed to do, being a single father, raising my daughter by…

You might not hear those words from a millenial, but I’ve heard many millenials complaining that their philosophy degree didn’t get them a well-paying job, or that it’s unfair for employers to expect them to already know how to do a job before hiring them. It feels like a similar mentality, just under different circumstances. (I don’t really buy into the whole “if only they’d worked harder/been smarter/prepared themselves better, they wouldn’t be in this situation” story line, but I also believe that thinking of yourself as a victim is counterproductive.)

Re: Inside San Francisco's housing crisis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non american looking at this from the outside this whole rental/tenant control looks like legislated communism.

As opposed to what other sort of communism? Also, note that "Prop G" is more or less the opposite of legislative, it's a ballot initiative, direct democracy.

> Also, note that "Prop G" is more or less the opposite of legislative

Legislative = law making. Prop G is more or less exactly legislative.

> it's a ballot initiative, direct democracy.

Yes, its a ballot initiative, which is a direct form of citizen exercise of legislative power (expressly, along with the power of referendum, reserved by the people in the otherwise-general assignment of legislative power to the State Legislature in Art. 4, Sec. 1 of the California State Constitution.)

Re: Inside San Francisco's housing crisis

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"...tech growth in cities like Seattle has been the same to San Francisco relative to its size, but the rise in the cost of living is less than a third of that experienced in San Francisco. This is largely attributed to the city building more housing to meet demand."

This seems to be the root of the problem. So much of the blame gets put on tech companies or the rich getting richer, but no one blames the elected officials for not doing the right thing and allowing new housing to be built.

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