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Re: Soda May Age You as Much as Smoking

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Post by dguaraglia »

chadzawistowski wrote: post #109
valarauca1 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is true for a lot of US resturants (especially fast food) they don't have a button for water, instead they just ring up a soda, and fill it with water.

My understanding was that restaurants in the US are required to provide free tap water. It may be a very small cup, but it should be available.

You get the water, but you can't take the price of the soda off the menu item.

Say you get a "Big Kahuna Combo" at $4.95 from some joint. The combo comprises a hamburger, a bag of fries and medium soda. Let's say the supermarket price for the same amount of soda is $.95 and the water cost is $1.95 (yes, more.) You'd think the restaurant would be able to swap the soda for a bottle of water and charge you $5.95 for the combo. But the way their combos are created (there are many, many reasons why the combos include a soda, such as soda companies subsidizing the cost of the soda for having soda as the default drink in the menu) doesn't allow for customization. In that case you'll have to pay the full value of the combo + $1.95 for the bottled water. Or get the same combo, for $4.95, but replacing the soda for tap water.

That's what the parent meant.

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Post by spikels »

Since longer telomere's may give you brain cancer we should all avoid 100% fruit juice and drink more non-diet soda!

http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2014/06/114956/longer-telomeres-lin...

Better yet ignore these preliminary and contradictory results until we actually understand what is actually going on.

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Post by Scientist007 »

anigbrowl wrote: post #139
Scientist007 wrote: post #128

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Given that most published medical research findings are false, their scepticism is well founded. Your confidence, to the contrary, may be borne of ignorance. http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fj...

It's not skepticism, it's rejectionism. Skepticism would have been to look up the paper and then argue that it's deficient in some manner - sample size too small, errors in the methodology, whatever it may be. I'm well aware that many, many published studies are scientifically deficient or overstated in some way, and have no problem with such deficiencies being pointed out. Asking 'did the researchers consider X' wit…

If most published research findings are false, isn't it rational to reject all findings?

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

mikeash wrote: post #52
toomuchtodo wrote: post #27

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> So they saw 'aging' with sugar-sweetened soda, the opposite with fruit juice, and no significant difference with diet sodas or non-carbonated sugary sodas. What compounds in soda are most likely causing this? If they're not seeing the results in fruit juice, its not sugar causing the damage.

Could it be that sugar is responsible, but other stuff in fruit juice somehow inhibits it or compensates for it?

I was thinking in the opposite direction, that maybe sugar is responsible but the effect is triggered/compounded by the bubbles [or C02 or carbonic acid] in some way?

There's a joke in here about muddy waters [a cocktail made variously with coke and OJ] somewhere ...

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Post by hrjet »

imanaccount247 wrote: post #12
geoka9 wrote: post #9

It's hard for me to understand the whole soda phenomenon in Canada and the US. Is it as addictive as cigarettes? Does it make you crave for more? Or it simply tastes so good that you can't get enough of it? Why not eat a bunch of apples instead (if you don't care about the amount of sugar you consume)? Wouldn't they taste better?

>Does it make you crave for more? Or it simply tastes so good that you can't get enough of it? Yes to both. >Wouldn't they taste better? No? This seems like a pretty bizarre question. People eat what they like. If apples tasted better (to them, it is subjective obviously) then they would be eating apples. I like coke, so I drink coke. I do not like apples, so I do not eat apples (unless they are in pie form).

> No? This seems like a pretty bizarre question. People eat what they like.

While I generally agree, let's not discount the power of marketing, advertising and subliminal messaging.

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Post by hrjet »

Pxtl wrote: post #184
kaybe wrote: post #173

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How much of which jam did he eat and what did he look like? (colour/intensity)

Yam, not jam. As in sweet potatoes.

Yam, jam and sweet potatoes are three different things. See for example: http://homecooking.about.com/od/howtocookvegetables/a/sweetp...

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Post by scrabble »

TheSoftwareGuy wrote: post #156
nilkn wrote: post #14

Not to mention it can cause diabetes and it's horrible for your teeth. For me, it also caused acne. Soda's really, really bad for you, and I think at this point it would be viewed the same way that smoking is viewed if it weren't for the fact that soda affects only the consumer whereas cigarettes produce second-hand smoke and a suffocating odor that fills the room. Maybe 2050's Mad Men will shock its viewers with how…

>I think at this point it would be viewed the same way that smoking is viewed if it weren't for the fact that soda affects only the consumer whereas cigarettes produce second-hand smoke and a suffocating odor that fills the room. And the addiction, don't forget that horrible, crippling addiction.

This might be dependent on the person as well. I know that when I stopped drinking soda 2 years ago, I got cravings for about 9 months afterwards.

When I quit smoking 6 years ago, I did not have any cravings. I realize that this is anecdotal and goes against the experience of most people.

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Post by colechristensen »

Freestyler_3 wrote: post #177
mikeyouse wrote: post #150

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> And besides, who says a "bro" can't science? ;) Very fair point. I guess I've been exposed to too many paleo "all sugar is equally evil" bros lately. They can certainly science with the rest of them. Hell, Kary Mullis won a Nobel for inventing PCR which he practically did from his surf board. Although his later absurdity^ re: AIDS / Astrology / Climate Change might give some more credence to keeping the bros out of…

And how about sugar in honey? I just wonder.

Both honey and high fructose corn syrup are > 85% water, fructose, and glucose in ratios similar enough to not make a difference.

Unless something in the remaining few percent is protective for honey and or harmful for HFCS, it's doubtful that there's a difference health-wise.

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Post by jjoonathan »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #138
johnward wrote: post #78

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I guess it matters because it might actually prove our bodies handle HFCS and Sugar differently. I have never seen that proven anywhere else.

Of course our bodies handle HFCS and "sugar" differently. There are about a dozen types of common simple sugars and all of them are handled differently because they are different molecules. Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

Straw-man. The relevant question is whether or not HFCS is significantly worse than sucrose.
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