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Introducing Phoenix, Swift set free

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Re: Introducing Phoenix, Swift set free

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Post by chc »

misnome wrote: post #8
spdegabrielle wrote: post #2

I can't find a license?

This. Pretty Ironic (And I opened the source tree, which doesn't have the licence either). Besides, wouldn't the best way to start this sort of thing be to write an LLVM frontend, rather than a new main.c? I get the impression more time has been spent on the "Launch Site" than the actual "Product".

I think the primary purpose at this point is to try and get Apple to not force the community to divide the development effort like this. They would rather not move forward with this codebase.

Re: Introducing Phoenix, Swift set free

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Post by Karunamon »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #3

Aren't they probably just holding off on open sourcing it until...it's finished. I know they've just shipped '1.0' but I think they're still making pretty big changes.

Hard to say with Apple. Their record on openness and transparency isn't great. This would be akin to Microsoft open sourcing Visual Basic.

Seeing Swift released would make my and a whole lot of other people's days, but honestly? I wouldn't hold my breath.

Re: Introducing Phoenix, Swift set free

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Post by aeturnum »

Karunamon wrote: post #12
k-mcgrady wrote: post #3

Aren't they probably just holding off on open sourcing it until...it's finished. I know they've just shipped '1.0' but I think they're still making pretty big changes.

Hard to say with Apple. Their record on openness and transparency isn't great. This would be akin to Microsoft open sourcing Visual Basic. Seeing Swift released would make my and a whole lot of other people's days, but honestly? I wouldn't hold my breath.

I mean, didn't Microsoft open source Visual Basic[0]? Was that the joke?

[0]http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/roslyn.aspx

Re: Introducing Phoenix, Swift set free

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Post by Karunamon »

aeturnum wrote: post #15
Karunamon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to say with Apple. Their record on openness and transparency isn't great. This would be akin to Microsoft open sourcing Visual Basic. Seeing Swift released would make my and a whole lot of other people's days, but honestly? I wouldn't hold my breath.

I mean, didn't Microsoft open source Visual Basic[0]? Was that the joke? [0] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/roslyn.aspx

Welp. When I did some cursory googling for "visual basic open source", that page wasn't anywhere on my results. Now I feel like a fool.

I'd still be very surprised if Swift got the same treatment. It just doesn't seem like a very Apple-ey thing to do.

Re: Introducing Phoenix, Swift set free

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Post by MCRed »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #3

Aren't they probably just holding off on open sourcing it until...it's finished. I know they've just shipped '1.0' but I think they're still making pretty big changes.

Seems likely. It's not like objective-c is closed to other people, and the extensions to Objective-C that Apple has made are open.

Swift and Objective-C are based on LLVM, which Apple has supported since very early on, and which is open sourced itself.

It would be kinda out of character for Apple (the real Apple not the boogeyman Apple which is mostly a straw man) to not release a programming language as open source.

Hell, the core of OS X (and iOS) is open source... they've only kept the UI layer closed source (notice Google has not open sourced their platform- map reduce, page rank, everything related to source they kept closed source. They only open sourced Android to try and be the Netscape Navigator to Apples Internet Explorer (iOS). Note that like Android, Navigator was free. Only after netscape ended did it become firefox, which is open source. Google shares android source, but to be official "Android" you have to license it from google, and that comes with a lot of requirements. So, Android is more properly understood as free)

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