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How marijuana legalization in Colorado and Washington is making the world better

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Re: How marijuana legalization in Colorado and Washington is making the world better

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post #78

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I can regret, i.e. feel sorry for, what I didn't cause. I can also apologize in defense of someone else. You English shouldn't constantly use Greek words if you don't understand them * ;) In that sense, speeches in senate are exactly that, even before laws are put in action. Sadly, my opinion about the credibility can't be written here in good faith. *) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/apology#Etymology

An etymology is not a word's "true meaning". Given the wink, you may well know this, though it could be that the gibe was intended in jest but the broader import was not so I felt it necessary to make it explicit. A word derived from another language can (and often does) acquire an entirely different meaning in its new environment. You can certainly regret what you did not cause. You can express sympathy for what you…

Does newspeak have different meaning to you, than it used to, too?

Re: How marijuana legalization in Colorado and Washington is making the world better

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can regret, i.e. feel sorry for, what I didn't cause. I can also apologize in defense of someone else. You English shouldn't constantly use Greek words if you don't understand them * ;) In that sense, speeches in senate are exactly that, even before laws are put in action. Sadly, my opinion about the credibility can't be written here in good faith. *) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/apology#Etymology

An etymology is not a word's "true meaning". Given the wink, you may well know this, though it could be that the gibe was intended in jest but the broader import was not so I felt it necessary to make it explicit. A word derived from another language can (and often does) acquire an entirely different meaning in its new environment. You can certainly regret what you did not cause. You can express sympathy for what you…

from the OED:

>Apology:

>A regretful acknowledgement of an offence or failure

) http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/apology

they simply don't regret it so the whole discussion is besides the point

Re: How marijuana legalization in Colorado and Washington is making the world better

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can regret, i.e. feel sorry for, what I didn't cause. I can also apologize in defense of someone else. You English shouldn't constantly use Greek words if you don't understand them * ;) In that sense, speeches in senate are exactly that, even before laws are put in action. Sadly, my opinion about the credibility can't be written here in good faith. *) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/apology#Etymology

An etymology is not a word's "true meaning". Given the wink, you may well know this, though it could be that the gibe was intended in jest but the broader import was not so I felt it necessary to make it explicit. A word derived from another language can (and often does) acquire an entirely different meaning in its new environment. You can certainly regret what you did not cause. You can express sympathy for what you…

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Re: How marijuana legalization in Colorado and Washington is making the world better

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

An etymology is not a word's "true meaning". Given the wink, you may well know this, though it could be that the gibe was intended in jest but the broader import was not so I felt it necessary to make it explicit. A word derived from another language can (and often does) acquire an entirely different meaning in its new environment. You can certainly regret what you did not cause. You can express sympathy for what you…

Does newspeak have different meaning to you, than it used to, too?

I'm sorry? Are you saying that unless we pretend that words actually mean what they meant in other languages centuries ago, we're redefining words to control thought and political discourse?

Re: How marijuana legalization in Colorado and Washington is making the world better

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

An etymology is not a word's "true meaning". Given the wink, you may well know this, though it could be that the gibe was intended in jest but the broader import was not so I felt it necessary to make it explicit. A word derived from another language can (and often does) acquire an entirely different meaning in its new environment. You can certainly regret what you did not cause. You can express sympathy for what you…

from the OED : >Apology: >A regretful acknowledgement of an offence or failure ) http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/apology they simply don't regret it so the whole discussion is besides the point

If they do regret it, they can show that by working on fixing it. If they aren't going to do that, I don't care if they say they regret it. Even before the additional issues we've digressed into.

Re: How marijuana legalization in Colorado and Washington is making the world better

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does newspeak have different meaning to you, than it used to, too?

I'm sorry? Are you saying that unless we pretend that words actually mean what they meant in other languages centuries ago, we're redefining words to control thought and political discourse?

No, I'm hinting at the potential corruption of language, if not used properly. Sorry for the sarcasm.

>An etymology is not a word's "true meaning".

Anyway, it's still a good indicator.

>Given the wink, you may well know this

Indeed, I have no hope of convincing the MW editors here, or correcting what seems to be

>A word derived from another language can (and often does) acquire an entirely different meaning in its new environment.

It's not derived. It is the same word given a second meaning. Languages aren't separate entities, they are intertwined and defined by the speakers. In that sense you are right, a word should mean whatever it is intended to mean.

Still, it's a loanword and that implies a certain responsibility for the user, as with any loan. I don't see any argument for the necessity of transforming the meaning. I think the transformation is a mutation, coming from ignorant usage and that goes against my grain. Simplification might have merit, but I'm all for generalization.

>You can certainly regret what you did not cause. You can express sympathy for what you did not cause. I think an apology is necessarily an expression of regret for something you had a role in, however. The word "sorry" expresses regret, but that regret is only part of an apology when there is some level of culpability. Apologizing on behalf of someone you've been associating with for a long while is regret that your impact did not lead to better behavior from them. Apologizing on behalf of someone you've just met seems weird to me. Apologizing for things done before you were born, even weirder.

What's the reverse of the euphemism treadmill? Apology is suffering it. A proper apology would explain all the reasons for the laws, which are by the way still in action. The focus shouldn't be on acknowledgment, but on correcting the understanding of the situation, to ease any confusion. To my understanding

>As I've said elsewhere, that doesn't mean I have a strong opposition to people doing or saying weird things - I just think we should try and be clear in our thinking.

Exactly.

Therefore words heavily rely on context and the context here was clear. The GGGP demanded an excuse, a justification or most importantly a clear explanation as to why the law has changed.

Obviously though, that couldn't be expected, because there is no clear situation, on the federal level it's still illegal, there was no change. That, I think, really requires an explanation. That is a double standard, don't you see a new-speak reference in this?

Re: How marijuana legalization in Colorado and Washington is making the world better

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry? Are you saying that unless we pretend that words actually mean what they meant in other languages centuries ago, we're redefining words to control thought and political discourse?

No, I'm hinting at the potential corruption of language, if not used properly. Sorry for the sarcasm. >An etymology is not a word's "true meaning". Anyway, it's still a good indicator. >Given the wink, you may well know this Indeed, I have no hope of convincing the MW editors here, or correcting what seems to be >A word derived from another language can (and often does) acquire an entirely different meaning in its ne…

I'm using two accounts, bare with me.

A joke really didn't work out if it has to be explained at length. Maybe, because secretly I was angry that my english isn't perfect and it's your fault ;)

Re: How marijuana legalization in Colorado and Washington is making the world better

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry? Are you saying that unless we pretend that words actually mean what they meant in other languages centuries ago, we're redefining words to control thought and political discourse?

No, I'm hinting at the potential corruption of language, if not used properly. Sorry for the sarcasm. >An etymology is not a word's "true meaning". Anyway, it's still a good indicator. >Given the wink, you may well know this Indeed, I have no hope of convincing the MW editors here, or correcting what seems to be >A word derived from another language can (and often does) acquire an entirely different meaning in its ne…

This is mildly interesting, and I don't intend this as any disrespect, but I think the EV on this conversation has fallen too low to be worth the effort continuing it is seeming to require given my other responsibilities.
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