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Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

#101

Post by scintill76 »

scintill76 wrote: post #100
arrrg wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes no sense to me to be honest. I really don’t understand this attitude, even on a basic level.

Would you be bothered if full video of your browser window was constantly streamed to Apple by default, with no ability to erase footage? If not, I don't know what to say. But if so, being told "It's just communicating with the web, what'd you expect from a browser?" wouldn't help, would it? Obviously this is the extreme, and I'm not likening sending search queries to fulltime video surveillance, but the point is peo…

These threads are amazing. I thought this was a reasonable explanation of my problem with this, and an attempt to show why people disagree, and how we can empathize better. But I get downmodded with no response. Is my opinion really so stupid that it doesn't deserve a response or to be read by anyone else? Is the idea that these things should be opt-in (or much more transparent), to protect privacy, so foreign, that I'm assumed to be trolling or merely anti-Apple if I espouse it? I expected at least "That's your ideological position on opt-in vs. opt-out, on which we simply disagree."

Maybe people got the message, irreconcilably disagree, and are sick of reading it again. I don't know why you'd still be in the thread, then.

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

#102

Post by tkubacki »

sbuk wrote: post #99
tkubacki wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well...no. Apple is adding online sources to UI more or less same way as Ubuntu (I don't have opinion on whether it's good or not - I find it useless for me on both OSes). My point is: there is an inequality of treating Ubuntu and Apple in HN comments in Apple's favour - that's all.

Which is kind of a pointless comment to make, isn't it.

pointless since it's obvious for you ?

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

#103

Post by beagle3 »

spacefight wrote: post #69
beagle3 wrote: post #54

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But it wasn't in the shopping lens. It was a bad idea. But let's not throw random general statements in a concrete discussion. Did you ever get a result from the shopping lens which could be mistaken for an advertisement rather than a product result you can buy on Amazon?

It's a product you can buy on Amazon trough an affiliate link. If't that's not advertisement...

No, it's not [0]. You searched for something, and the default installation searches for it among your menus and in Amazon.

Copyright infringement is not theft.

Amazon lens is not advertisement.

[0] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/advertisement

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

#104

Post by sbuk »

tkubacki wrote: post #102
sbuk wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is kind of a pointless comment to make, isn't it.

pointless since it's obvious for you ?

http://www.imore.com/yosemite-ios-8-spotlight-and-privacy-wh...

That's why this is different. But hey' research is for chumps, kneejerking those reactions all the way! Amirite?

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

#105

Post by song »

scintill76 wrote: post #101
scintill76 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you be bothered if full video of your browser window was constantly streamed to Apple by default, with no ability to erase footage? If not, I don't know what to say. But if so, being told "It's just communicating with the web, what'd you expect from a browser?" wouldn't help, would it? Obviously this is the extreme, and I'm not likening sending search queries to fulltime video surveillance, but the point is peo…

These threads are amazing. I thought this was a reasonable explanation of my problem with this, and an attempt to show why people disagree, and how we can empathize better. But I get downmodded with no response. Is my opinion really so stupid that it doesn't deserve a response or to be read by anyone else? Is the idea that these things should be opt-in (or much more transparent), to protect privacy, so foreign, that…

All of my comments in this thread started with negative points from down votes then stabilised. It seems that whenever there's a controversial topic, there are a few people who down vote every comment that goes against their viewpoint.

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

#106

Post by coldtea »

inclemnet wrote: post #76
coldtea wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean to get something like Ubuntu that does the same thing? Let's set this straight: anything that gives you suggestions (for search, products, dictionary definitions, songs, etc) from the internet, is by definition sending your query to some internet server. Next drama: Google searches send my search queries to Google.

> You mean to get something like Ubuntu that does the same thing? He obviously means something not like Ubuntu (or at least Unity in particular) that does not do the same thing. There are many many distros meeting this requirement, it's disingenuous to try and imply everyone is doing it.

>He obviously means something not like Ubuntu (or at least Unity in particular) that does not do the same thing.

You'd be surprised:

http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/09/ubuntu-bakes-amazon-...

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

#107

Post by coldtea »

4ad wrote: post #72
coldtea wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean to get something like Ubuntu that does the same thing? Let's set this straight: anything that gives you suggestions (for search, products, dictionary definitions, songs, etc) from the internet, is by definition sending your query to some internet server. Next drama: Google searches send my search queries to Google.

If you want to use OS X, you need to play by Apple's runes. If you want to use some kind of Unix-like system, you don't need to play by Canonical's rules. There's a myriad of Linux distribution, not only Ubuntu, and then there are the BSDs too.

So, in each case, you get to decide the rules you want to play with, by going with the OS that satisfies you.

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

#108

Post by scintill76 »

song wrote: post #105
scintill76 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These threads are amazing. I thought this was a reasonable explanation of my problem with this, and an attempt to show why people disagree, and how we can empathize better. But I get downmodded with no response. Is my opinion really so stupid that it doesn't deserve a response or to be read by anyone else? Is the idea that these things should be opt-in (or much more transparent), to protect privacy, so foreign, that…

All of my comments in this thread started with negative points from down votes then stabilised. It seems that whenever there's a controversial topic, there are a few people who down vote every comment that goes against their viewpoint.

I've had the impression that people who have the ability to down vote are reasonable and well-respected in the community, so it kind of surprises me that these things happen. Maybe down voting just seems lofty to me because I'm not karmic enough to have it.

It's also funny that I talked about being downvoted, and am now a little above 0 afterward, oops. I figured the thread was dying down and I'd respond before it was abandoned completely.

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

#109

Post by song »

scintill76 wrote: post #108
song wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of my comments in this thread started with negative points from down votes then stabilised. It seems that whenever there's a controversial topic, there are a few people who down vote every comment that goes against their viewpoint.

I've had the impression that people who have the ability to down vote are reasonable and well-respected in the community, so it kind of surprises me that these things happen. Maybe down voting just seems lofty to me because I'm not karmic enough to have it. It's also funny that I talked about being downvoted, and am now a little above 0 afterward, oops. I figured the thread was dying down and I'd respond before it wa…

Getting enough karma to downvote doesn't really mean that much, it just means you've been here long enough and maybe submitted a few articles that got on the front page (it's much easier to get karma by submitting articles).
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