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India’s Downward Spiral

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This is an unsurprising extension into the electronic realm of India's notoriously weak support of free expression. They were the first country to ban the Satanic Verses; its import, I believe, is still illegal there. Citizens are routinely persecuted under laws that literally prohibit hurting people's religious feelings (recently invoked against a researcher who exposed another fake Catholic miracle[0]). India is the most prominent example of a country with plenty of voting but no democracy.

[0] http://blog.newhumanist.org.uk/2012/07/sanal-edamarukus-situ...

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Idiotic indeed. Upvoting an article from 2012. In terms of content too it doesn't mention specific content that was targeted for removal. If any content is offensive to an individual e.g. nude pictures of celebrities they should have the right to ask them to be removed. No different for India - or any other country in the world. India has too much free speech if anything! Anybody can go to the steps of parliament or the presidential palace and blow their horn off on whatever issue they want.

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This is an unsurprising extension into the electronic realm of India's notoriously weak support of free expression. They were the first country to ban the Satanic Verses ; its import, I believe, is still illegal there. Citizens are routinely persecuted under laws that literally prohibit hurting people's religious feelings (recently invoked against a researcher who exposed another fake Catholic miracle[0]). India is t…

> India is the most prominent example of a country with plenty of voting but no democracy.

Second you on that one! I lived in various parts of rural India for a little over 12 years, and the deeper I went, the more I saw people there actively voting in droves. And the harder their life and generally poor state of affairs!

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Worse yet, Indian government is apparently trying hard to emulate NSA's Surveillance Programs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A91idibgT0&feature=youtu.be

Here's the video's info:

"""India is currently implementing some of the scariest surveillance schemes in the world. This lecture will shed light on India's surveillance industry, its UID scheme which aims at the collection of all biometric data and on various controversial surveillance schemes, such as the Central Monitoring System (CMS).

When it comes to surveillance, the most mainstream argument is that the majority of India's population lives below the poverty line and that surveillance is an elitist issue - and not a "real" issue which affects the masses. Given that the majority of India's population has mobile phones and that the Indian government is currently implementing the Central Monitoring System (CMS) which aims at intercepting all telecommunications (and Internet communications), surveillance does not appear to be an elitist issue. Given that the UID scheme aims at collecting the biometric data of all citizens residing in India and that most BPL cash programmes require UID registration, surveillance appears to be an issue which (unfortunately) affects the 1.2 billion people currently living in India. And this is to say the least. As part of the Privacy Project, the Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) in Bangalore, India, is investigating surveillance within the country. The project is funded by Privacy International and aims to map out various forms of surveillance in India, ranging from drones, CCTV cameras and GPS tracking equipment to phone and Internet monitoring gear. This lecture aims to present the research that Maria Xynou has undertaken at the CIS so far, which includes data on the various surveillance technology companies operating in India and the type of spy gear they sell to Indian law enforcement agencies. This research also includes the presentation of India's various controversial surveillance schemes, with an emphasis on the Central Monitoring System (CMS) which unlawfully enables the interception of all telecommunications and Internet communications. India is currently implementing the world's largest biometric data collection and interception of communications schemes. The aim of this lecture is to present India's scary mass surveillance and to discuss its implications on the right to privacy and other human rights."""

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post #5

Idiotic indeed. Upvoting an article from 2012. In terms of content too it doesn't mention specific content that was targeted for removal. If any content is offensive to an individual e.g. nude pictures of celebrities they should have the right to ask them to be removed. No different for India - or any other country in the world. India has too much free speech if anything! Anybody can go to the steps of parliament or…

May be on TV and in person, but definitely not on the internet. Just a cartoon of a stupid politician could get you arrested [1].

[1] http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/11/world/asia/india-cartoonis...

Re: India’s Downward Spiral

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This is an unsurprising extension into the electronic realm of India's notoriously weak support of free expression. They were the first country to ban the Satanic Verses ; its import, I believe, is still illegal there. Citizens are routinely persecuted under laws that literally prohibit hurting people's religious feelings (recently invoked against a researcher who exposed another fake Catholic miracle[0]). India is t…

> Citizens are routinely persecuted under laws that literally prohibit hurting people's religious feelings

It would be interesting to hear from Indians on these issues. I'm not a citizen nor do I live there, but religious conflict often has cost many lives in India. For example, there were the 2002 religious riots in Gujarat which made Modi, now Prime Minister of the country, so controversial; 1,000-2,000 people died and there were brutal gang rapes, people being burnt alive and other horrors. Going back to the partition of India and Pakistan in 1947, up to a million people died and many millions were displaced.

In Germany there are laws against free expression of Nazi ideas. Perhaps in India it is appropriate to minimize religious conflict. I don't know enough to offer an opinion but it's a very serious consideration.

Re: India’s Downward Spiral

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This is an unsurprising extension into the electronic realm of India's notoriously weak support of free expression. They were the first country to ban the Satanic Verses ; its import, I believe, is still illegal there. Citizens are routinely persecuted under laws that literally prohibit hurting people's religious feelings (recently invoked against a researcher who exposed another fake Catholic miracle[0]). India is t…

> India is the most prominent example of a country with plenty of voting but no democracy. Second you on that one! I lived in various parts of rural India for a little over 12 years, and the deeper I went, the more I saw people there actively voting in droves. And the harder their life and generally poor state of affairs!

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sadly democracy in India only has the voting part implemented fairly well. It's a monarch until the next election. Even the voting is neck deep in corruption [1]

[1] http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/cash-for-vo...

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