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Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by Igglyboo »

webkike wrote: post #37
melling wrote: post #35

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You know what Emacs is? It's a big Lisp interpreter. It was made to be extensible so that it could do anything. It could be your IDE, for example. http://cedet.sourceforge.net The problem is that it isn't a good enough Lisp engine to be very good at anything beyond the great text editor, which it has been since the early 1980's. Avoiding the really hard problems and building a better emacs browser doesn't really help…

What? Emacs isn't a big Lisp interpreter. It's a text editor that is extensible with Emacs Lisp. Sure it contains a Lisp interpreter, but saying that Emacs is only a Lisp interpreter implies that the entirety of the text editor is implemented in Lisp, which is clearly not the case. I use Emacs as a text editor, which means I use it to edit anything that has text. Granted that is a huge part of my computing needs. I d…

I'm not sure who's right and I don't even use emacs but I just wanted to point out that emacs has about 400k lines of C and about 1.2m lines of lisp.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by gsnedders »

onedognight wrote: post #55
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #6

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Emacs has a web browser?

> Emacs has a web browser? At one point there were only two web browsers in the world, one was Mosaic (Mozilla is short for Mosaic Killer) and one was W3 (the emacs web browser).

Um, what about WorldWideWeb, the original NeXTSTEP browser/editor (by TimBL) which predates both of them?

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by CDRdude »

I'm a comparative youngin to most of the people here, and I've never tried emacs. I'd like to learn my way around it someday, but I don't know how high of a priority I should place on it. I've managed to pick up enough vim to make my life easier, would learning my way around emacs also get me a productivity boost? How good is evil mode?

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by viksit »

fafner wrote: post #50
viksit wrote: post #17

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Is it me or is that browser (after looking at the screenshot) really "eww"?

Well it is limited by Emacs' display engine. It is obviously not supposed to replace your default browser. But it is usually good enough to view html documentation. Which is really something you want inside your editor.

Actually - it would be cool if there was something that allowed you to render markdown atleast.

Also, is this display limitation a function of the OS? In which case, shouldn't Cocoa/GTK or other versions not have this issue and be able to actually embed nicer rendering in there with nice fonts?

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by viksit »

CDRdude wrote: post #65

I'm a comparative youngin to most of the people here, and I've never tried emacs. I'd like to learn my way around it someday, but I don't know how high of a priority I should place on it. I've managed to pick up enough vim to make my life easier, would learning my way around emacs also get me a productivity boost? How good is evil mode?

I found out about evil mode two days ago from the 24.4rc1 post, and so far, it feels like vim but a little wonky. The great thing is pressing C-z in evil mode toggles between vim/emacs modes and is very convenient.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by ngoldbaum »

gnuvince wrote: post #58
dima55 wrote: post #36

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All C-x space does is visualize the rectangular region. You still use all the old binding (C-x r t for instance) to do anything with the region. The annoying thing about C-x space, is that it used to do something completely different (set gud breakpoint), but I digress.

> All C-x space does is visualize the rectangular region. You still use all the old binding (C-x r t for instance) to do anything with the region. Really? Upon reading the release notes, I was excited that I'd probably be able to just use commands like C-w or C-x u to act on rectangles. Sad to see it won't be the case.

Both of those commands seem to work correctly with rectangular selection.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by hello_asdf »

viksit wrote: post #68
CDRdude wrote: post #65

I'm a comparative youngin to most of the people here, and I've never tried emacs. I'd like to learn my way around it someday, but I don't know how high of a priority I should place on it. I've managed to pick up enough vim to make my life easier, would learning my way around emacs also get me a productivity boost? How good is evil mode?

I found out about evil mode two days ago from the 24.4rc1 post, and so far, it feels like vim but a little wonky. The great thing is pressing C-z in evil mode toggles between vim/emacs modes and is very convenient.

Seriously? I played around with emacs this weekend, and used it exclusively at work today.. I kept restarting it because I thought evil was bugging out.

I'd agree that evil mode is quite nice, and emacs seems like something useful to know. It really depends what you prefer. I'm trying out emacs specifically for the formatting plugins as vim seems to fall behind in that regard.

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