Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Emacs 24.4 released

lists.gnu.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

41–50 of 177 posts

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

#41

Post by thristian »

callahad wrote: post #30
stinkytaco wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slightly off-topic, but is there still much NNTP use out there other than piracy related? I was a heavy NNTP user once upon a time, but all the public groups I once used seem to be overrun by spam and private ones seem to have gone in favor of email. I would expect there's a quite a few private servers out there to warrant continual updating in a program like emacs.

I prefer to consume mailing lists via Gmane's NNTP gateway: http://gmane.org/ It's a surprisingly nice experience. You can really easily pull archives, nntp clients tend to handle threading well, etc.

Relevant to this subthread, Gmane's maintainer is also the maintainer of Gnus, so the Gmane web UI is (I'm told) surprisingly familiar for Gnus users.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

#42

Post by conistonwater »

viksit wrote: post #18
craigching wrote: post #13

If you're looking for GNU emacs on Mac OS X, this is the place I use [1]. Note that it's not there just yet, so be a bit patient. They've been doing RC builds, you can seem them here [2]. [1] -- http://emacsformacosx.com/ [2] -- http://emacsformacosx.com/builds

Weirdly, 24.4rc1 from the builds section is really wonky on my OS X Mavericks install. On scroll, the buffers go "above" the window and the top bar breaks up into tiny pieces and scrolls with the content. Ugh.

Perhaps some weird kind of font issue? Try setting a different default font, and seeing if that does anything. (The font popup is bound to Option-t by default, I think.)

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

#43

Post by mark_l_watson »

craigching wrote: post #13

If you're looking for GNU emacs on Mac OS X, this is the place I use [1]. Note that it's not there just yet, so be a bit patient. They've been doing RC builds, you can seem them here [2]. [1] -- http://emacsformacosx.com/ [2] -- http://emacsformacosx.com/builds

I just built it from source yesterday - easy. Search for "OS X" in the install file for directions.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

#44

Post by pyviennacl »

stinkytaco wrote: post #19
davidw wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has sockets, so... pretty much anything you can do with those, you can do with Emacs. * Email (gnus) * NNTP (gnus) * IRC Come to mind offhand.

Slightly off-topic, but is there still much NNTP use out there other than piracy related? I was a heavy NNTP user once upon a time, but all the public groups I once used seem to be overrun by spam and private ones seem to have gone in favor of email. I would expect there's a quite a few private servers out there to warrant continual updating in a program like emacs.

Sure: I use NNTP for my RSS/Atom feeds and my mailing lists, using the excellent gateways at http://gmane.org/ and http://gwene.org/

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

#45

Post by melling »

webkike wrote: post #37
melling wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know what Emacs is? It's a big Lisp interpreter. It was made to be extensible so that it could do anything. It could be your IDE, for example. http://cedet.sourceforge.net The problem is that it isn't a good enough Lisp engine to be very good at anything beyond the great text editor, which it has been since the early 1980's. Avoiding the really hard problems and building a better emacs browser doesn't really help…

What? Emacs isn't a big Lisp interpreter. It's a text editor that is extensible with Emacs Lisp. Sure it contains a Lisp interpreter, but saying that Emacs is only a Lisp interpreter implies that the entirety of the text editor is implemented in Lisp, which is clearly not the case. I use Emacs as a text editor, which means I use it to edit anything that has text. Granted that is a huge part of my computing needs. I d…

Nope, it's mostly a Lisp interpreter. Stallman had to build some of the low-level stuff in C then he built the rest of the editor in Lisp.

"We used the same idea here (in the hybrid technique), that most of the editor would be written in Lisp, but certain parts of it that had to run particularly fast would be written at a lower level"

http://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.html

That's the beauty of Emacs. Considering that he built it in the early 80s, you have to wonder if the whole thing couldn't be written Lisp today.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

#46

Post by webkike »

dima55 wrote: post #36
__david__ wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you use the 'C-x r *' keys previously? I'm so used to those that I haven't been able to prove to myself that the new rectangular selection is better... In particular, I use 'C-x r t' quite a lot. What is the 'C-x space' equivalent to that? I'm curious to know which things are easier for you with 'C-x space'.

All C-x space does is visualize the rectangular region. You still use all the old binding (C-x r t for instance) to do anything with the region. The annoying thing about C-x space, is that it used to do something completely different (set gud breakpoint), but I digress.

It must have been a hard decision to make that change -- the current maintainers really hate breaking defaults. I suppose it's just that useful to have.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

#47

Post by ezequiel-garzon »

In Ubuntu I'm unable to activate orgtbl-mode unless I first switch to org-mode. This didn't happen with Emacs 23. Has anybody experienced the same? How can I check if this has been reported? Thanks.

Edit: Seriously, people? You take the time to downvote and not to point in a direction to contribute to make Emacs better? So much for the attacks on Stack Overflow and its strict policies and policing... And anyway, how off topic is this comment? Peace.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

#48

Post by technomancy »

ezequiel-garzon wrote: post #47

In Ubuntu I'm unable to activate orgtbl-mode unless I first switch to org-mode. This didn't happen with Emacs 23. Has anybody experienced the same? How can I check if this has been reported? Thanks. Edit: Seriously, people? You take the time to downvote and not to point in a direction to contribute to make Emacs better? So much for the attacks on Stack Overflow and its strict policies and policing... And anyway, how…

Hacker News is not a great place for bug reports, just saying.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

#49

Post by ezequiel-garzon »

technomancy wrote: post #48
ezequiel-garzon wrote: post #47

In Ubuntu I'm unable to activate orgtbl-mode unless I first switch to org-mode. This didn't happen with Emacs 23. Has anybody experienced the same? How can I check if this has been reported? Thanks. Edit: Seriously, people? You take the time to downvote and not to point in a direction to contribute to make Emacs better? So much for the attacks on Stack Overflow and its strict policies and policing... And anyway, how…

Hacker News is not a great place for bug reports, just saying.

I'm asking for guidance, since I don't know where to file what I consider a clear bug, and where to check first. (Ubuntu? GNU?) Instead, I already received a downvote and this... Thanks, anyway.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

#50

Post by fafner »

viksit wrote: post #17
baby wrote: post #8

> A built-in web browser (M-x eww) What ! Anyone has screenshots of that? Is there a windows release somewhere?

Is it me or is that browser (after looking at the screenshot) really "eww"?

Well it is limited by Emacs' display engine. It is obviously not supposed to replace your default browser. But it is usually good enough to view html documentation. Which is really something you want inside your editor.
Post reply on HN