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Amazon’s Monopsony Is Not O.K.

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It's not intended as an appeal to accomplishment, more as a suggestion that he would have as much to lose in reputation than to gain by getting involved in such a thing if he didn't genuinely believe his position. EDIT: I'd also suggest that as a default with the participants in this particular disagreement, anyone with self interest at heart should probably think about siding with Amazon. Jeff Bezos doesn't lose too…

In the academic world Krugman-the-journalist has never had that much reputation. It was Krugman-the-academic the one who won the Nobel Memorial Prize. You can check out some of Krugman-the-journalist's most notorious contradictions here: http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman#Contradictions

People can be extremely wrong even if they were extremely right in the past. And the opposite

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Krugman's point is summed up in another quote from the comment you linked to: "Hachette failed to come to mutually agreeable terms with [Amazon]. That's their most important job as a publisher, and they blew it, to the tune of permanently costing their authors 50-60%+ of sales they'll never recover." When one buyer represents 50-60% of sales, the "most important job" of any seller is to come to "mutually agreeable te…

>When one buyer represents 50-60% of sales, ... One party to the negotiation can walk away; the other cannot. I don't follow the logic here. Your fatalistic assessment assumes Hachette (and other publishers) are paralyzed and cannot adapt . However, the business world isn't static therefore Hachette can walk away. (If not this particular contract renewal because of timing pressure then at least the next one -- if the…

Note that O'Reilly books have their own site, and seem to do rather well.

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The standard monopsony effect is on quality. Monopsonies push the price below the cost of production, so producers cut production costs to an unreasonable level. In the case of books, you'd see that by cuts in editing, by authors shortening the amount of time that they spend writing a book, and through authors dropping out and leaving the field to less talented writers with fewer alternative income sources. The textb…

>In the case of books, you'd see that by cuts in editing, by authors shortening the amount of time that they spend writing a book, and through authors dropping out and leaving the field to less talented writers with fewer alternative income sources. I just spent $10,000 editing and producing my latest book that's going to be self-published. Comparing the royalties I'll get with self-publish (not using CreateSpace BTW…

I'm not a writer, so I'll defer to you on that perspective. As a reader, I love publishers and editors. I've waded into the self-published world more than most, and I don't see myself buying self-published work again in the future without significant (outlier-level) crowd-sourced reviews like Wool or The Martian.

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Krugman's point is summed up in another quote from the comment you linked to: "Hachette failed to come to mutually agreeable terms with [Amazon]. That's their most important job as a publisher, and they blew it, to the tune of permanently costing their authors 50-60%+ of sales they'll never recover." When one buyer represents 50-60% of sales, the "most important job" of any seller is to come to "mutually agreeable te…

>When one buyer represents 50-60% of sales, ... One party to the negotiation can walk away; the other cannot. I don't follow the logic here. Your fatalistic assessment assumes Hachette (and other publishers) are paralyzed and cannot adapt . However, the business world isn't static therefore Hachette can walk away. (If not this particular contract renewal because of timing pressure then at least the next one -- if the…

"Rethink/reprioritize other reseller relationships and offer better terms to Barnes & Noble, Apple iBooks, etc"

Wasn't this exactly what happened and resulted in Amazon getting the Att. General to investigate antitrust allegations?

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>In the case of books, you'd see that by cuts in editing, by authors shortening the amount of time that they spend writing a book, and through authors dropping out and leaving the field to less talented writers with fewer alternative income sources. I just spent $10,000 editing and producing my latest book that's going to be self-published. Comparing the royalties I'll get with self-publish (not using CreateSpace BTW…

I'm not a writer, so I'll defer to you on that perspective. As a reader, I love publishers and editors. I've waded into the self-published world more than most, and I don't see myself buying self-published work again in the future without significant (outlier-level) crowd-sourced reviews like Wool or The Martian.

I don't blame you. Most self-published stuff is garbage.

...

Have you noticed that most PUBLISHED stuff is garbage, too?

Re: Amazon’s Monopsony Is Not O.K.

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>When one buyer represents 50-60% of sales, ... One party to the negotiation can walk away; the other cannot. I don't follow the logic here. Your fatalistic assessment assumes Hachette (and other publishers) are paralyzed and cannot adapt . However, the business world isn't static therefore Hachette can walk away. (If not this particular contract renewal because of timing pressure then at least the next one -- if the…

Note that O'Reilly books have their own site, and seem to do rather well.

O'Reilly is a specialized technical book publisher. Hatchette, on the other hand, is an undifferentiated conglomerate (one of the big 5 publishing companies). The types of people who would start their book search at O'Reilly are fairly well defined. That isn't the case with Hatchette. People on HatchetteStore.com are less likely to browse and more likely to search, and the second they fail to find a book they were looking for, they'd probably bounce back to Amazon.

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Monopolies and monopsonies only matter when they're difficult to overcome because their size gives them an insurmountable competitive advantage. Absent that, they only exist as long as people are happy with them. Amazon is easy to bypass. The major publishers could set up their own online stores tomorrow if they wanted to. Authors could set up their own stores too. There are a ton of viable alternatives.

It seems like you're using a very liberal sense of the word "viable" if "Authors could set up their own stores" is considered a viable alternative to selling on Amazon.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Krugman's point is summed up in another quote from the comment you linked to: "Hachette failed to come to mutually agreeable terms with [Amazon]. That's their most important job as a publisher, and they blew it, to the tune of permanently costing their authors 50-60%+ of sales they'll never recover." When one buyer represents 50-60% of sales, the "most important job" of any seller is to come to "mutually agreeable te…

>When one buyer represents 50-60% of sales, ... One party to the negotiation can walk away; the other cannot. I don't follow the logic here. Your fatalistic assessment assumes Hachette (and other publishers) are paralyzed and cannot adapt . However, the business world isn't static therefore Hachette can walk away. (If not this particular contract renewal because of timing pressure then at least the next one -- if the…

Note that some of these ideas count as collusion and are illegal. See: the Justice Department's successful lawsuit against publishers over their deals with Apple.

Unfortunately, the set of solutions {!collusion, practical} is very small. It might be empty.

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I normally love Krugman, but it seems like he skipped a step here. Amazon is squeezing publishers to push prices down, which is bad becuase... why? I mean, the apocalyptic end game here is that publishers are forced out of business entirely and Amazon ends up buying content directly from authors, I guess. That doesn't sound so bad to me, nor like something that's going to "hurt America". Maybe then they might squeeze…

The main point isn't one action or another but, and Krugman says it clearly, that Amazon has too much power. Modern democracies usually strive to prevent concentration of power in few hands, especially if those hands aren't elected. The market, however, does often favor concentration of power, and when that happens, democracies should protect themselves. The US in particular has had a history of businesses gaining to…

I read Rockefeller's biography "Titan" and could not find a single instance in it where Standard Oil's large market share "seriously hurt" the public.

S.O. was a serious force in reducing the price of kerosene to the public - by 70%.

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