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Should people be eating more fat?

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Re: Should people be eating more fat?

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The macronutrient content of your diet has nothing to do with how much you gain/lose. The only way you are losing weight is that you are in a caloric deficit. Whether that's from increased activity, decreased energy intake, or a combination of these, there is no other way (besides liposuction). The low-carb thing is just a trick to get you to eat fewer calories. Not to say it's not valuable - whatever works for you -…

High fat/moderate protein/low carb (so not exactly the 50/45/5 ratio of the post you replied to) can affect insulin resistance. Are you implying that insulin resistance has no affect on weight gain/loss?

being fat/obese and/or sedentary is a major contributor to insulin resistance. Your protein/fat/carb intake is not a significant contributor at all outside how much of them you're eating is keeping you fat/obese. Calories > Macros

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Yes. Animal fats particularly. We know from the fossil record and studies of traditional societies that even bone marrow (high and dense in fat and calories) is prized. Science shows it to be unbelievably rich in all sorts of good stuff. There are some theories out there that modern human brain development was strongly tied to the ability of early humans to make tools to successful extract as much marrow out of an an…

Interesting theory regarding bone marrow consumption and early human brain development... Can you recommend any articles or research on the topic to learn more?

Re: Should people be eating more fat?

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You will need to provide source for the "People eat too many carbs in their daily life and don't even notice and they carry lots of long term health risks". And preferentially one that also compares with asian diets since they have with lots of carbs.

Asians have a very high carb tolerance from having lived with a high-carb diet for thousands of years. Comparing your diet to an asian's is definitely not a good way to determine whether it will be healthy for you.

I remeber reading somewhere that the Asian biome has a composition that helps with the amount of rice indested.

Re: Should people be eating more fat?

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The only unhealthy fat is trans fat. All other forms of fat are good (provided you count the calories). Also fats contain leptin, which helps reduce fat! However, protein does a better job of giving that "full" feeling.

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High fat/moderate protein/low carb (so not exactly the 50/45/5 ratio of the post you replied to) can affect insulin resistance. Are you implying that insulin resistance has no affect on weight gain/loss?

being fat/obese and/or sedentary is a major contributor to insulin resistance. Your protein/fat/carb intake is not a significant contributor at all outside how much of them you're eating is keeping you fat/obese. Calories > Macros

Dr. Attia, someone who exercises regularly, increased his insulin sensitivity 4x with just his macros. It would seem macros have to mean 'something'

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I lost over 50 pounds about 3 years ago now. And since then I have been relearning to eat and doing a good job at it. One of the tricks of the eating healthy trade that I learned and has helped me tremendously, is to put fatty stuff into drinks; mostly teas and coffees. Like bulletproof coffee[0]. Often you hear don't drink empty calories, but as someone that has never counted a calorie I can attest that it is more i…

Regarding 0: do you use "low-toxin coffee beans"? It sounds shady, I'd like to know more.

Re: Should people be eating more fat?

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There is perhaps no other topic of human health we intentionally complicate more than nutrition and supplementation. Every year there is a new study contradicting what we believed to be a solid truth about what we eat, and for every study that says you should eat fat/red meat/salt/alcohol, there is another study that says you shouldn't. This extends to even the most seemingly defensible advice, like taking vitamin D for fair-skinned individuals in cold climates. I had spoken with a medical school professor on how he was now redacting that advice upon new research that came out of a highly regarded, peer-reviewed journal. It seems nothing is safe when it comes to what we ingest.

Fundamentally, it comes down to eating whole, unprocessed foods in sensible amounts and moving around in a manner that provides enough stimulus to fend off disease and atrophy. Everything else is majoring in the minor and varies wildly by individual. There are plenty of lean, healthy individuals on high carb, low fat diets; same with high fat, low carb. If you stick to those fundamentals and experiment with a diet and exercise regimen that is sustainable for you, you will have success. It astounds me that we continuously need to drill into our brains that a diet of salads and the fresh catch of the day is healthier than TV dinners and the drive-through.

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Yes. Animal fats particularly. We know from the fossil record and studies of traditional societies that even bone marrow (high and dense in fat and calories) is prized. Science shows it to be unbelievably rich in all sorts of good stuff. There are some theories out there that modern human brain development was strongly tied to the ability of early humans to make tools to successful extract as much marrow out of an an…

Interesting theory regarding bone marrow consumption and early human brain development... Can you recommend any articles or research on the topic to learn more?

In terms of modern science, we know marrow can have direct impact on neuron development in adults.

http://www.foh.dhhs.gov/NYCU/BoneMarrow.asp

Earlier scientific work has shown that bone marrow cells can enter the mouse brain and produce new neurons. However, the new study is the first to show that this phenomenon can occur in the human brain. The study appears in the January 20, 2003, online early edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences1.

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/news_and_events/news_articles/press...

http://www.pnas.org/content/100/4/2088.full

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140808110709.ht...

In terms of archaeological record and Early Man

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/life/Homo

Tooled up But around two million years ago, telltale cut marks on the surface of animal bones reveal that early humans were using crude stone tools to smash open the bones and extract the marrow. Stone tools allowed early Homo to get at a food source that no other creature was able to obtain - bone marrow. Bone marrow contains long chain fatty acids that are vital for brain growth and development. This helped further fuel the increase in brain size, allowing our ancestors to make more complex tools.

The tools made by habilis are called 'Oldowan tools'. The process used to make these tools was incredibly simple. Hominids picked up one stone, known as a core and broke it with another, known as a hammerstone or percussor. This gave them a sharp cutting edge that could pass through an animal's hide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2YMfzhm8ao

Some of the oldest stone tool use we've discovered appears to be tied into marrow extraction by pre-human species about 3.4 million years ago. Long enough for evolutionary forces to have a major impact.

http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v56/n12/full/1601646a.htm...

Another fruitful line of evidence for early hominid diets is from analogy with modern humans, rather than other living primates. In a recent paper Cordain et al, (2001) also argue that the observed increased brain size through time in the Homo line requires the consumption of animal products. They point out that there are two essential fatty acids, docsahexaenoic and arachidonic, that are essential to brain development in modern humans, and the best sources of these two fatty acids are bone marrow, and particularly ruminant brains. Therefore, the consumption of these animal products would have facilitated expansion in brain size and increased cranial capacity over the long term. Similar arguments regarding omega-3 fatty acids are presented by Chamberlain (1996, 1998).

There's tons more. It's pretty well researched and the hypothesis is generally accepted.

There's a documentary somewhere that demonstrates marrow extraction with recreations of millions year old stone tools. There's some co-evolution arguments about the orientation of our hands and the size and strength of human triceps (designed to hold and smash), but I can't find the papers on those right now.

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High fat/moderate protein/low carb (so not exactly the 50/45/5 ratio of the post you replied to) can affect insulin resistance. Are you implying that insulin resistance has no affect on weight gain/loss?

being fat/obese and/or sedentary is a major contributor to insulin resistance. Your protein/fat/carb intake is not a significant contributor at all outside how much of them you're eating is keeping you fat/obese. Calories > Macros

Wow, I just disagree with everything you're posting on this thread. You're certainly entitled to your opinions, but be aware that people who do keto think you are just so wrong.

I've lost 33 pounds since May eating LCHF. I just eat until I'm full, and I feel much better. So really all I've changed are my macros.

Macros > Calories.

You should read a Gary Taubes book, and see what you think.

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