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Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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Post by batmanthehorse »

vertex-four wrote: post #67
matthewmacleod wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotlight is no longer a tool for searching local files, and is now a search tool which combines local and remote data. You can disable this feature.

Which is an issue as this is not clearly stated, and it appears at first glance to be exactly like the desktop search tools we've been using for the past couple of decades. UX design is partially about making pitfalls like this clear to users (and, where possible, getting rid of pitfalls altogether).

It is actually very clearly stated when you first use it (and every time thereafter, until you disable it):

http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2014/10/spotligh...

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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Post by batmanthehorse »

izacus wrote: post #41
pilsetnieks wrote: post #36

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What I meant with explicit was that they are explicitly described in the text that is shown on clicking the button called "About Spotlight Suggestions and Privacy." If one would never even open Spotlight preferences, then yeah, it is not possible to see, enable or disable those preferences. But then one should also not complain that it is impossible to enable or disable these preferences. By that logic, every applica…

I think a basic warning, information or other type of system making a user aware, that all their searches are being shared with 3rd parties is not an unreasonable demand. Having people go to two preferences dialogs just to find out that contents of search box are being sent to USA datacenters is a dangerous dark pattern.

It gives a basic warning to make the user aware. Any time they use Spotlight until they disable the related features. http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2014/10/spotligh...

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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Post by sbuk »

tkubacki wrote: post #88
sbuk wrote: post #87

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There you go again! "Apple apologists". Apologising for what?

apologists - a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial. Defending Apple eg. very first comment below my comment claims Apple is not showing adds whereas someone showed this: http://i.imgur.com/1hdtCjB.png?1

That's not a 3rd party for goodness sake! It's iTunes. It says it clearly! My comment asked you if "suggesting that Apple is sending this data to advertisers". iTunes is categorically not a 3rd party. Enough of these fallacies. No-one is apologising for Apple's actions as there nothing to apologise for. You are looking for something that isn't there and it was clear from the onset that this was the case.

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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Post by tkubacki »

sbuk wrote: post #93
tkubacki wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

apologists - a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial. Defending Apple eg. very first comment below my comment claims Apple is not showing adds whereas someone showed this: http://i.imgur.com/1hdtCjB.png?1

That's not a 3rd party for goodness sake! It's iTunes. It says it clearly! My comment asked you if "suggesting that Apple is sending this data to advertisers" . iTunes is categorically not a 3rd party. Enough of these fallacies. No-one is apologising for Apple's actions as there nothing to apologise for. You are looking for something that isn't there and it was clear from the onset that this was the case.

you still seem not getting this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics

for me - if it wants to convince me to buy something it's an advertisement - no matter it's third party or not.

But as I said before I don't care - my only point is Apple...(trying not to be negative) fanboism level here (HN coments) is exceptional and that's funny :)

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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Post by sbuk »

tkubacki wrote: post #94
sbuk wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a 3rd party for goodness sake! It's iTunes. It says it clearly! My comment asked you if "suggesting that Apple is sending this data to advertisers" . iTunes is categorically not a 3rd party. Enough of these fallacies. No-one is apologising for Apple's actions as there nothing to apologise for. You are looking for something that isn't there and it was clear from the onset that this was the case.

you still seem not getting this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics for me - if it wants to convince me to buy something it's an advertisement - no matter it's third party or not. But as I said before I don't care - my only point is Apple...(trying not to be negative) fanboism level here (HN coments) is exceptional and that's funny :)

There you go; "fanboism". Took you long enough. You have consistently squirmed around this, but there it is. Oh, I get it. I get that you clearly have an agenda.

Edit:

Your whole argument revolves around Apple doing something behind our backs; which the blatantly haven't. The warning is there, front and centre. That's not an apology, that's a fact.

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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Post by tkubacki »

sbuk wrote: post #95
tkubacki wrote: post #94

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you still seem not getting this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics for me - if it wants to convince me to buy something it's an advertisement - no matter it's third party or not. But as I said before I don't care - my only point is Apple...(trying not to be negative) fanboism level here (HN coments) is exceptional and that's funny :)

There you go; "fanboism". Took you long enough. You have consistently squirmed around this, but there it is. Oh, I get it. I get that you clearly have an agenda. Edit: Your whole argument revolves around Apple doing something behind our backs; which the blatantly haven't. The warning is there, front and centre. That's not an apology, that's a fact.

Well...no. Apple is adding online sources to UI more or less same way as Ubuntu (I don't have opinion on whether it's good or not - I find it useless for me on both OSes).

My point is: there is an inequality of treating Ubuntu and Apple in HN comments in Apple's favour - that's all.

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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Post by song »

arrrg wrote: post #89
song wrote: post #65

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I disabled spotlight suggestions in the preferences but didn't in Safari (since it never came into my mind that I'd need to disable it there too). When I searched on safari, I didn't see spotlight suggestions but I can confirm that it phoned home. I don't get why people get so defensive when it's just a simple fact. Even someone technically minded like me who actually disabled Spotlight suggestions in Preferences bec…

Why would you expect Safari to not communicate with the web? I'm mystified by this attitude.

I expect Safari to communicate with the web, I just don't expect it to send my search data to apple's server when I selected Duck Duck Go as a search engine and when I disabled Spotlight suggestion in the preferences. Having to disable "Spotlight suggestion" a second time in Safari's preferences is the issue and is what I blame Apple.

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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Post by arrrg »

song wrote: post #97
arrrg wrote: post #89

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Why would you expect Safari to not communicate with the web? I'm mystified by this attitude.

I expect Safari to communicate with the web, I just don't expect it to send my search data to apple's server when I selected Duck Duck Go as a search engine and when I disabled Spotlight suggestion in the preferences. Having to disable "Spotlight suggestion" a second time in Safari's preferences is the issue and is what I blame Apple.

That makes no sense to me to be honest. I really don’t understand this attitude, even on a basic level.

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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Post by sbuk »

tkubacki wrote: post #96
sbuk wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There you go; "fanboism". Took you long enough. You have consistently squirmed around this, but there it is. Oh, I get it. I get that you clearly have an agenda. Edit: Your whole argument revolves around Apple doing something behind our backs; which the blatantly haven't. The warning is there, front and centre. That's not an apology, that's a fact.

Well...no. Apple is adding online sources to UI more or less same way as Ubuntu (I don't have opinion on whether it's good or not - I find it useless for me on both OSes). My point is: there is an inequality of treating Ubuntu and Apple in HN comments in Apple's favour - that's all.

Which is kind of a pointless comment to make, isn't it.

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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Post by scintill76 »

arrrg wrote: post #98
song wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I expect Safari to communicate with the web, I just don't expect it to send my search data to apple's server when I selected Duck Duck Go as a search engine and when I disabled Spotlight suggestion in the preferences. Having to disable "Spotlight suggestion" a second time in Safari's preferences is the issue and is what I blame Apple.

That makes no sense to me to be honest. I really don’t understand this attitude, even on a basic level.

Would you be bothered if full video of your browser window was constantly streamed to Apple by default, with no ability to erase footage? If not, I don't know what to say. But if so, being told "It's just communicating with the web, what'd you expect from a browser?" wouldn't help, would it?

Obviously this is the extreme, and I'm not likening sending search queries to fulltime video surveillance, but the point is people have different thresholds of what they will tolerate. Apparently most HN users' tolerance is high, or at least they are willing to defend Apple on this for whatever reasons. Some of ours is low, so that's why we are complaining.

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