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Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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That Mail one is probably the least alarming, and I would assume that Outlook does the same thing. When you first set up a mail account, it sends your email domain to https://mac-services.apple.com/iconfig/dconf and, provided Apple has a match for it, it will return auto-configure POP/IMAP/SMTP settings. If you enter your email as @apple.com, it returns back: apple.com mail.apple.com 993 IMAP MACOSX PLAIN

Thunderbird has a similar service, but you can click on Manual Config and input that by hand.

Option-click the "Create" button in the setup wizard in Mail.app for the same thing

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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post #12

I'm very glad for that thread. I didn't know that I also needed to uncheck "Include Spotlight Suggestions" in Safari additionally to Preferences. I do not understand why there's such a backlash against anyone that points out that: 1. It's not intuitive to have to both disable "Include Spotlight Suggestions" in Safari and in Preferences. 2. People like my father who are privacy conscious but are average computer users…

The text when you open spotlight explains that it's looking on the internet. The first icon is safari. Every search you do, including siri, kortana, and ok google sends information to the respective company. Apparently bendgate didn't satisfy the fans, so they had to come up with a tortured reason to be all upset. I really tire of this horse shit, and would expect better.

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'apt-get remove unity-shopping-lens' hardly consumes a lot of time, particularly since you make it sound like you installed Ubuntu often enough to make it onerous - that often, and you'd remember the command without having to web-search for it.

Uninstalling bloatware also "hardly" consumes a lot of time. It's a step which no-one should have to take.

> Uninstalling bloatware also "hardly" consumes a lot of time.

Hell yes it does. Just sum it up over all consumers doing the un-install. Man years wasted, easily.

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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post #16

Can't this just be turned off with the Spotlight setting in system preferences though? For browsers it seems to be the same for all that uses the unified search field, it was last time a checked Chrome with tcpdump. I personally preferred to have the URL field separate from the search field for that reason.

> Can't this just be turned off with the Spotlight setting in system preferences though?

Yes. Although note that it will not disable Safari's "spotlight suggestions" which have to be disabled separately via Safari's own preferences.

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

#65
post #12

I'm very glad for that thread. I didn't know that I also needed to uncheck "Include Spotlight Suggestions" in Safari additionally to Preferences. I do not understand why there's such a backlash against anyone that points out that: 1. It's not intuitive to have to both disable "Include Spotlight Suggestions" in Safari and in Preferences. 2. People like my father who are privacy conscious but are average computer users…

The text when you open spotlight explains that it's looking on the internet. The first icon is safari. Every search you do, including siri, kortana, and ok google sends information to the respective company. Apparently bendgate didn't satisfy the fans, so they had to come up with a tortured reason to be all upset. I really tire of this horse shit, and would expect better.

I disabled spotlight suggestions in the preferences but didn't in Safari (since it never came into my mind that I'd need to disable it there too).

When I searched on safari, I didn't see spotlight suggestions but I can confirm that it phoned home.

I don't get why people get so defensive when it's just a simple fact. Even someone technically minded like me who actually disabled Spotlight suggestions in Preferences because I didn't want to send information to Apple, ended up sending information when searching on Safari. This is an issue.

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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post #2

Funny - just compare how Ubuntu was bashed for Amazon lens in Unity and how differently Apple is treated for the same (or even worse) things here on HN

Are you suggesting that Apple is sending this data to advertisers? Do you have any evidence of this?

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Expecting OS level stuff to work without network data at year 2014 seems somewhat bizarre. This is like complaining that apt-get leaks info to home, telling about the packages you install. No, the difference is that people do have a general idea about whether things should be done locally or sent out into the Internet, and searching files stored locally does not belong in the latter category.

Spotlight is no longer a tool for searching local files, and is now a search tool which combines local and remote data. You can disable this feature.

Which is an issue as this is not clearly stated, and it appears at first glance to be exactly like the desktop search tools we've been using for the past couple of decades.

UX design is partially about making pitfalls like this clear to users (and, where possible, getting rid of pitfalls altogether).

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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post #33

If you like the title of this post, you might like this subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/titlegore edit: all right, jokes aside, the title is horrible and unparseable for many reasons: "Yosemite" without stating it's OS X Yosemite throws you off with the first word. It "Sends Spotlight" (comma). All right, sends spotlight what? Is sends a verb, why is it capitalized? Let's move on... "Safari Searches", Safari sear…

Whilst it's not great, it's hardly awful or unparseable. Headlines have been written in this kind of truncated form for decades; people know how to read them.

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

#69
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" They weren't advertisements. They were product search results." That line is blurred these days.

But it wasn't in the shopping lens. It was a bad idea. But let's not throw random general statements in a concrete discussion. Did you ever get a result from the shopping lens which could be mistaken for an advertisement rather than a product result you can buy on Amazon?

It's a product you can buy on Amazon trough an affiliate link. If't that's not advertisement...

Re: Corpus of network communications automatically sent to Apple by Yosemite

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post #2

Funny - just compare how Ubuntu was bashed for Amazon lens in Unity and how differently Apple is treated for the same (or even worse) things here on HN

Same for Microsoft. There was barely any backlash at all when Windows 8.1 introduced search that also sent your local file searches to advertisers.

can this be turned off ?
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