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Re: Disable sharing of Spotlight searches with Apple

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power users just hit it and go.

Power users use Alfred or LaunchBar (or Quicksilver, IIRC that project was resurrected).

No power user ever uses spotlight to launch apps? Those are some awe-inspiring mental gymnastics you're doing to take Apple's side here.

Re: Disable sharing of Spotlight searches with Apple

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There is a war on going in search. You can see it in Google's quarterly results where this last quarter they spent nearly a billion dollars on paid distribution (aka people they pay to send them searches that they can monetize rather than people who just show up at Google.com or one of their properties). It stuns me that Apple hasn't bitten the bullet and built a search engine yet since they could make more on it tha…

Based on Apple's past history, they do not want to sell your personal data. That's Google's modus operandi, and common for other companies too, but Apple has demonstrated time and time again that they are focused on the user. To that end, there's 2 things going on here: 1. Apple added functionality called Spotlight Suggestions, which pulls in data from the internet, including things like iTunes and App Store results,…

Apple sells your data to themselves, to show ads for music and apps. It's not so different from showing ads for other vendors, except in that the ads only appear in Spotlight

Re: Disable sharing of Spotlight searches with Apple

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Based on Apple's past history, they do not want to sell your personal data. That's Google's modus operandi, and common for other companies too, but Apple has demonstrated time and time again that they are focused on the user. To that end, there's 2 things going on here: 1. Apple added functionality called Spotlight Suggestions, which pulls in data from the internet, including things like iTunes and App Store results,…

Apple sells your data to themselves, to show ads for music and apps. It's not so different from showing ads for other vendors, except in that the ads only appear in Spotlight

Ads? If you search for "Planet of the Apes", and you get a response for "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" as a movie available on iTunes, seems to me that's likely what you wanted, no? Calling these "ads" is disingenuous. If Apple has the data in-house to answer your query, they'll do that. Seems like a good idea to me.

Re: Disable sharing of Spotlight searches with Apple

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Howdy. Author here. By way of introduction, I'm also the author of PLCrashReporter ( https://www.plcrashreporter.org/ ), ported Java 6 to Mac OS X (a.k.a Soylatte), and -- this might lower some folk's estimation of me here -- started the MacPorts project almost 15 years ago at Apple, along with co-workers Jordan Hubbard and Kevin Van Vechten. That slightly snarky disclaimer you quoted actually has a serious backstory…

Hi, Thank you for taking the time respond, and for your impressive body of work. My knee-jerk reaction to everything about this site can definitely be attributed to ignorance. Something worth considering, in my opinion, for the goal of the project. fix-osx: I didn't know it needed fixing (in the context of what this site declares is wrong). I am open to being wrong, and that it would need fixing, but my gut response…

Thanks for the feedback; I committed a rephrasing of the trademark disclaimer (https://github.com/fix-macosx/fix-macosx) and I'll push that out when I next have the chance.

Just to clarify, the submission's title of "No Privacy, by Design" doesn't represent my own position; it's not a phrase that's used on fix-macosx.com.

Re: Disable sharing of Spotlight searches with Apple

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You immediately ran a spotlight query, despite Spotlight itself looking radically different, being in a different place on the screen (floating in the middle, instead of anchored to the upper-right), and didn't even notice the message it tried to tell you? That's pretty impressive. > in the bowels of a preference menu This is not the first time you've resorted to hyperbole in order to try and paint Apple in a bad lig…

How is it sarcastically impressive that I hit cmd-space and typed "it" for iTerm, like I do every time I start up my computer and have for the last two years? How is it sarcastically impressive that I just start typing into Spotlight, because I know that's what Spotlight is? And what makes you think I've gone to Spotlight preferences since upgrading to Yosemite? I had my preferences the way I wanted them, why would a…

The functionality changed dramatically and extremely visibly. If you are intent in completely ignoring the obvious changes, both to the aesthetics of the functionality, and to the actual behavior, that's your prerogative. But you can't turn around and claim Apple is behaving badly when you intentionally blinded yourself to the numerous ways that you could tell something is different.

And besides all that, apparently this issue doesn't even affect you. If you launch Spotlight, type "it", and hit Return, in order to launch iTerm, to the best of my knowledge, Spotlight won't have even sent your query to Apple. It had a local application result to deliver, and you accepted it without waiting for more results. From playing with it myself, and from watching patterns of network traffic, it appears to me that it doesn't even initiate the search unless it thinks you don't want the first result.

The only thing dirty here is your desire to publicly accuse Apple of bad behavior when you blindly installed a brand new major OS upgrade without reading anything about it, ignored the blatant message they gave you, ignored every single visual cue about how the functionality you were using has been radically changed, and then read on the internet that there was a possibility that your search queries might be sent to Apple and freaked out.

Re: Disable sharing of Spotlight searches with Apple

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"Verification is required.

Please click Billing Info to approve your billing information for use in the iTunes Store. If you cancel you will not be able to buy until you have approved your billing information."

For a FREE upgrade? I'm sure Apple has data showing that people with a credit card on file are more likely to buy paid apps/songs/etc, but this is fucking annoying.

Re: Disable sharing of Spotlight searches with Apple

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Real Question:

Does anyone consider OS-native search that queries your local computer AND the web to be useful?

As the default in ubuntu, it is actively confusing, and distracting. At least from my point of view, if I'm searching for something using my OS search, that means I want to find something ON MY computer. If I want to find something online, I will look online (google, etc.).

The workflow from OS -> OS Search -> Browser -> Search is often slower than Alt-tabbing to the browser that is already open, pressing Ctrl+T and typing your query.

This approach of combined search might make sense on mobile, where cloud storage is the norm, but on a personal computer, it is an insane default.

Re: Disable sharing of Spotlight searches with Apple

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Could this be considered overthinking it? A domain, a python script, to effectively achieve tapping a couple toggles in sys prefs? And this is quite difficult for the average non terminal using person. > This site _criticizes_ Apple for certain privacy-invading features of Mac OS X and teaches users how to fix them. So, obviously, the site is not approved by Apple. Snark!

Howdy. Author here. By way of introduction, I'm also the author of PLCrashReporter ( https://www.plcrashreporter.org/ ), ported Java 6 to Mac OS X (a.k.a Soylatte), and -- this might lower some folk's estimation of me here -- started the MacPorts project almost 15 years ago at Apple, along with co-workers Jordan Hubbard and Kevin Van Vechten. That slightly snarky disclaimer you quoted actually has a serious backstory…

The problem with telling people to run this for themselves, is now they have to trust both you and apple.

If you really want to educate people, why not also provide directions on how to do it via the UI? Are you trying to scare people?

The privacy disclosure and instructions are perpetually available in spotlight settings by pressing the giant button labelled 'About Spotlight Suggestions & Privacy', which is probably the largest button in the entire OS.

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