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Argentina launches its first home-built satellite

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Re: Argentina launches its first home-built satellite

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Well, this is propaganda. What exactly is an argentinian sattellite? Almost all the parts are from Japan and outsourced to Europe ( http://elpais.com/elpais/2014/09/26/ciencia/1411754613_66353... )

Just to clarify, the quoted article says:

> Todo esto es habitual. Prácticamente ningún país del mundo dispone de la tecnología necesaria para construir un satélite “100% nacional”.

"All of this is normal. Practically no countries have the technology needed to construct a satellite that is "100% national"".

Furthermore, the article quotes an article by ARSAT itself, where it clearly states what parts are to be outsourced.

http://www.arsat.com.ar/novedades/arsat-awards-contracts-for...

Unfortunately I can't translate that because I don't know how to translate the technical terms (even though I am a technical person myself, I don't know the terms mentioned there, I assume because they are particular to satellite development), although it mentions a hardware component and the space "payload"

Re: Argentina launches its first home-built satellite

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Well, this is propaganda. What exactly is an argentinian sattellite? Almost all the parts are from Japan and outsourced to Europe ( http://elpais.com/elpais/2014/09/26/ciencia/1411754613_66353... )

Well it's like buying a 0km car VS buying generic parts and building it yourself. It's not that easy.

Re: Argentina launches its first home-built satellite

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post #4

Well, this is propaganda. What exactly is an argentinian sattellite? Almost all the parts are from Japan and outsourced to Europe ( http://elpais.com/elpais/2014/09/26/ciencia/1411754613_66353... )

Well it's like buying a 0km car VS buying generic parts and building it yourself. It's not that easy.

Well, it is pretty easy. I have one car that I assembled myself with the help of a mechanic.

You can buy cars in pieces from several UK companies. And I have to say it was easier than I thought it was going to be.

In fact, it was probably too easy. I am engineer and used to do things myself. Making my own OS with gentoo when you had to compile everything yourself was way harder and longer than assembling the car.

Re: Argentina launches its first home-built satellite

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it's like buying a 0km car VS buying generic parts and building it yourself. It's not that easy.

Well, it is pretty easy. I have one car that I assembled myself with the help of a mechanic. You can buy cars in pieces from several UK companies. And I have to say it was easier than I thought it was going to be. In fact, it was probably too easy. I am engineer and used to do things myself. Making my own OS with gentoo when you had to compile everything yourself was way harder and longer than assembling the car.

Thats impressive. Complete car with ASP/traction control/ABS and emmisions complaint stuff? did you calibrated the airbags?

Re: Argentina launches its first home-built satellite

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I know people involved in the design and programming of the control software.

Specifically for the people who are asking: the control software task is custom-built and brand-new, which is a pretty distinguished feature. The testing facilities were made from scratch; the assembly system, according to the necessary standards for geosynchronous satellites which operate outside of the Earths's magnetic field which protect LEO satellites from radiation, was also new. The components, while outsourced to the few entities on the planet with the necessary know-how, were built according to the INVAP's (the agency responsible for the project) own specs.

Integrating these systems, which are not built as turn-key solutions, is still an extremely complex affair and requires a high degree of knowledge and understanding of aerospace technology. This is some very talented and skilled staff working under the guidance of domain experts.

From this link: http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/10/arsat-1-argentina-com...

"The desire to develop the capabilities went so far that, while the computer module was supplied by Astrium, the whole software was written from scratch by local contractors. Or, in the case of the AOCS system, the main computer, and both ACE (the Attitude Control Electronics) and TCE (Thruster Control Electronics), as well as the whole attitude control system and algorithms were developed at INVAP.

The distinction between the supplier of the off the shelf parts – and the specification, validation and integration of components and software development into a whole system – is very important. As a result, it can be considered a 100 percent INVAP product."

There's also experiments of the energy agency's custom-built solar panel technology, used for LEO satellites and now being experimented on this orbit. The plan is that this tech will continue to be developed and used for future stuff.

An interesting fact is that the reinsurance policy for the satellite is the cheapest ever for one on a geosynched orbit, which implies that the testing protocol made for this has been extremely sound, and thus the quality of the engineering.

The city of Bariloche, where much of this work was based, is also known for having the state's nuclear research and manufacturing industry, which has built and exported several commercial nuclear reactors.

Re: Argentina launches its first home-built satellite

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Well, this is propaganda. What exactly is an argentinian sattellite? Almost all the parts are from Japan and outsourced to Europe ( http://elpais.com/elpais/2014/09/26/ciencia/1411754613_66353... )

It would be a huge feat to actually develop from scratch a reliable satellite of this scale domestically. Developing a satellite or satellites would be doable - there's a number of startups which have developed smaller satellites from scratch (although generally the people involved have experience working for the big western contractors) - but you'd need to start small and work up.

It is true that this appears to be mostly an assembly of other people's technology, but then that's true of almost every large scale system. Most aircraft makers only actually build the shell and assemble it all, the rest of the sub-systems coming from numerous suppliers.

In this case Thales Alenia Space and Airbus Defence and Space (both European companies) appear to have provided most of the satellite systems, with the system engineering level design done by INVAP. I'm not sure where it was assembled - possibly also Argentina? It's worth noting that the Systems Engineering component is no easy feat, and if they have done it then they do deserve significant credit. Ultimately no company anywhere in the world is completely vertically integrated - there will always be suppliers.

Re: Argentina launches its first home-built satellite

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it is pretty easy. I have one car that I assembled myself with the help of a mechanic. You can buy cars in pieces from several UK companies. And I have to say it was easier than I thought it was going to be. In fact, it was probably too easy. I am engineer and used to do things myself. Making my own OS with gentoo when you had to compile everything yourself was way harder and longer than assembling the car.

Thats impressive. Complete car with ASP/traction control/ABS and emmisions complaint stuff? did you calibrated the airbags?

I suspect it was something like a Caterham:

http://uk.caterhamcars.com/cars

Re: Argentina launches its first home-built satellite

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Well, this is propaganda. What exactly is an argentinian sattellite? Almost all the parts are from Japan and outsourced to Europe ( http://elpais.com/elpais/2014/09/26/ciencia/1411754613_66353... )

It may be propaganda, or at least an exercise in national pride, but it's not without substance. Developing high tech aerospace guidance systems without critical outside help demonstrates the ability to reach strategic technology goals independently, and therefore the ability to operate autonomously. National autonomy is, for some nations, a valuable goal.
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