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When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by zdean »

jcrites wrote: post #5

> Of all the people at a multiethnic women’s college who could hold the school’s “diversity” seat, the least fitting one was a white man. > “I thought he’d do a perfectly fine job, but it just felt inappropriate to have a white man there. It’s not just about that position either. Having men in elected leadership positions undermines the idea of this being a place where women are the leaders.” I find this concept both…

"We need to cease over-correcting for past discriminating..."

Maybe so, but do we do the same with discrimination that's very much currently in the effect?

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by lsiebert »

jcrites wrote: post #5

> Of all the people at a multiethnic women’s college who could hold the school’s “diversity” seat, the least fitting one was a white man. > “I thought he’d do a perfectly fine job, but it just felt inappropriate to have a white man there. It’s not just about that position either. Having men in elected leadership positions undermines the idea of this being a place where women are the leaders.” I find this concept both…

>I guess this shows that prejudice is unfortunately still common in modern society.

Until minorities say it isn't an issue to the same extent white men do, I won't believe prejudice has disappeared. Maybe not then even.

I think you have to acknowledge that a diverse individual brings their experience to a situation. Being part of an interest group gives you greater experience regarding how to advocate for that group.

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by boombip »

jamesaguilar wrote: post #30
lexcorvus wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a fascinating double-standard. Compare to a similar sentiment someone might express: “I thought Obama would do a perfectly fine job, but it just felt inappropriate to have a black man as President of the United States.” Such a person would be pilloried as a racist. It's astonishing how often people imply or explicitly assert that white men don't understand what it's like to live in a society hostile to their ra…

White men do not understand, any more than I understand what it feels like to be a rabbit. Your comment is a clear example of that failure -- actually, it's worse, because you don't even understand the problem intellectually. Some white men do acknowledge their privilege, but even for them, it will never be possible to experience true systemic hostility based on their gender or race. "Occasionally my gender-race is c…

I like how you assume that he/she is white, or even a man at all.

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by cortesoft »

lexcorvus wrote: post #13
jcrites wrote: post #5

> Of all the people at a multiethnic women’s college who could hold the school’s “diversity” seat, the least fitting one was a white man. > “I thought he’d do a perfectly fine job, but it just felt inappropriate to have a white man there. It’s not just about that position either. Having men in elected leadership positions undermines the idea of this being a place where women are the leaders.” I find this concept both…

It is a fascinating double-standard. Compare to a similar sentiment someone might express: “I thought Obama would do a perfectly fine job, but it just felt inappropriate to have a black man as President of the United States.” Such a person would be pilloried as a racist. It's astonishing how often people imply or explicitly assert that white men don't understand what it's like to live in a society hostile to their ra…

As a white man, I agree that I can't REALLY understand what it is like to live in a society hostile to my sex and race. I can try to empathize, but I can't understand it in the same way.

I don't understand what you mean about the NYT. I have never seen a single article that is 'hostile' to white men. Pointing out that white men are in a position of privilege is NOT hostility, it is observation.

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by jamesaguilar »

boombip wrote: post #33
jamesaguilar wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

White men do not understand, any more than I understand what it feels like to be a rabbit. Your comment is a clear example of that failure -- actually, it's worse, because you don't even understand the problem intellectually. Some white men do acknowledge their privilege, but even for them, it will never be possible to experience true systemic hostility based on their gender or race. "Occasionally my gender-race is c…

I like how you assume that he/she is white, or even a man at all.

It's possible that someone from another race or gender feels that white men have it tough. I've never met such a person.

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by delecti »

jessaustin wrote: post #25
matteotom wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am saying that in most states being over 18, with clean record and mentally capable, does not automatically mean someone can vote (as women can). What are the situations in which men cannot vote if they are over 18, with a clean record and mentally capable?

I'm guessing the unpopular poster is referring to selective service, for which men (and, TBH, trans women) must register, or forfeit numerous "rights". Because war. I hesitate to articulate this, being cis and all, but the strenuous denunciations of this greenbean seem to hint of something ugly in one's opinions of the whole notion of trans. As far as I know, I'm no relation to the Jesse Austin interviewed in TFA.

As a trans woman I fully agree with your assessment. They clearly have no idea what they're talking about.

Also, selective service is such an absurdly trivial "obstacle." I registered ages ago, and despite a half-dozen moves (and transitioning) since, I haven't ever done anything else about it.

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by verroq »

emcarey wrote: post #28
jcrites wrote: post #5

> Of all the people at a multiethnic women’s college who could hold the school’s “diversity” seat, the least fitting one was a white man. > “I thought he’d do a perfectly fine job, but it just felt inappropriate to have a white man there. It’s not just about that position either. Having men in elected leadership positions undermines the idea of this being a place where women are the leaders.” I find this concept both…

sorry you have faced so much discrimination as a white man. I hope one day that changes.

By trivialising issues faced by males, can you still claim what you are advocating is equality?

edit: downvotes are really good arguments :^)

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by astrange »

alukima wrote: post #14
erceciooir wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take typical nerd, add mild depression and zero social life. I can ensure you that being trans will not make it much worse and will improve relations with authorities significantly. And in their cases it was 'administrative decision'. I argued a few times in person, results were unpleasant for my person, I am not going to do it again. 65% graduates are women, men do not even have universal voting right in US. Google…

Why do you think more women graduate? Why complain that women have it better than actively trying to make it better for men? I'm trying to figure out why you have such a skewed view of society. You're certainly incorrect about how trans people are treated, especially with authorities. What do you mean men don't have universal voting rights? Are you talking about felons?

> Why do you think more women graduate?

The graduation rate for women is about 5% better than men. It's not possible to answer your question unless you also know how many men vs. women entered university, which I didn't look up.

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=40

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by joyeuse6701 »

>“The patriarchy is alive and well,” he said. “I don’t want to perpetuate it.”

I laughed pretty hard at this one, the irony seems pretty lost here for Timothy. This could offer some serious introspection for the echo-chamber that is Wellesley. It's one of those case examples of an entity 'becoming what they hate'.

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by verroq »

jamesaguilar wrote: post #30
lexcorvus wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a fascinating double-standard. Compare to a similar sentiment someone might express: “I thought Obama would do a perfectly fine job, but it just felt inappropriate to have a black man as President of the United States.” Such a person would be pilloried as a racist. It's astonishing how often people imply or explicitly assert that white men don't understand what it's like to live in a society hostile to their ra…

White men do not understand, any more than I understand what it feels like to be a rabbit. Your comment is a clear example of that failure -- actually, it's worse, because you don't even understand the problem intellectually. Some white men do acknowledge their privilege, but even for them, it will never be possible to experience true systemic hostility based on their gender or race. "Occasionally my gender-race is c…

How is it his fault and why should he care? He didn't choose to be born as a white man. He has no more responsibility for his race than any national for their country.
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