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Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by nrinaudo » Thu, Oct 16, 2014, 7:26 AM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #291

nrinaudo wrote: post #207

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I'm sorry, I've been following this story for a while and every single one of the instances where she has been accused of lying that I know of has been debunked. I'm not calling you a liar, merely asking for you to point me to what I've been missing. I run in circles that are pretty pro-sarkeesian and may have suffered from selection bias. Do note, however, that simply stating that she's a liar is not an actual proof…

Maybe less direct lying and more by omission, but the one I always think of is but one of her videos points out a few supposedly misogynistic portions in the Hitman series of games - while forgetting to mention that the game penalizes you for doing what she's complaining about. There are other instances of this kind of failure to research - see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwwFx-tz9TY&feature=share , starting at a…

Right, I see where we misunderstood each other. You're talking about conclusions she reached that are debatable - and, indeed, debated rather a lot. I also disagree with some of them, but don't feel that qualifies her as a liar, just someone with whom I don't agree on everything. Possibly even someone that sometimes uses hyperbole to make her points. I'm most likely guilty of the same sin myself and don't begrudge her this stylistic shortcut.

I was talking about, for example, accusations that: - she made the threats up - she was the author of some of the threats - she never actually did report the threats to the police

These lies have either been debunked (the police report was produced, for example) or "proved" by nothing stronger than "it stands to reason", which I read as "there is no proof and never will be".

We do not necessarily disagree on your points, just on whether that makes her a liar. Facts tend to show that, on average, she's much less of a liar than the people who attack her.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by Rubix117 » Thu, Oct 16, 2014, 7:47 AM UTC

nrinaudo wrote: post #207

Rubix117 wrote: post #165

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Because lying about death threats causes more problems. I honestly can't believe people take this woman so seriously. As I have commented before she has been shown to be a liar. Nothing she says has any credibility.

I'm sorry, I've been following this story for a while and every single one of the instances where she has been accused of lying that I know of has been debunked. I'm not calling you a liar, merely asking for you to point me to what I've been missing. I run in circles that are pretty pro-sarkeesian and may have suffered from selection bias. Do note, however, that simply stating that she's a liar is not an actual proof…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIpw3wHn9Sk&list=UU-yewGHQbN... This shows her true colors.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by dalore » Thu, Oct 16, 2014, 7:48 AM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #108

kmfrk wrote: post #97

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Yep; it was not the massacre threat but the refusal to deny concealed carry that prompted Anita to cancel her event. The title implies a wrong causality like that. I can't imagine attending an event where people could carry concealed weapon, even as completely average dude.

I'm guessing you don't know many folks who carry? Off-duty police, former military, parents and plumbers. Not a lot to fear. In fact lots of cases its been shown to be safer to have such folks around.

Safer only because the criminals also have guns. But not actually safer at all. I'd rather the UK where people don't carry. Much safer there. Just look at the number of gun deaths in the UK vs the US.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by _wdh » Thu, Oct 16, 2014, 7:53 AM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #302

sixthhokage1 wrote: post #300

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People are doxing, harassing, and sending threats of various sorts in GG's name. All the cries of "false flag" are just making the movement look worse.

It doesn't even need to be a false flag. All it takes is one un-hinged idiot who thinks they're Doing The Right Thing, and by the standards that HN users apparently have, that's enough to discard the entire movement. Because, yknow, a group's most unhinged members only stand for the movement when it's GG, even when those members are denounced by everyone else, but that same standard doesn't apply to people on the oth…

By that logic, you can't judge any group in any way for doing anything because anything anyone does can be reduced to being an "un-hinged idiot".

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by imaginenore » Thu, Oct 16, 2014, 11:47 AM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #314

imaginenore wrote: post #304

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There's quite a lot of evidence. http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/comments/2eub5g/anita...

"She opened a Twitter notification in an incognito window soon after receiving it" is a pretty interesting definition of "quite a lot of evidence".

12 seconds after it was posted? I don't fall for that "explanation".

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by imaginenore » Thu, Oct 16, 2014, 11:47 AM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #314

imaginenore wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's quite a lot of evidence. http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/comments/2eub5g/anita...

"She opened a Twitter notification in an incognito window soon after receiving it" is a pretty interesting definition of "quite a lot of evidence".

12 seconds after it was posted? I don't fall for that "explanation".

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Thu, Oct 16, 2014, 1:35 PM UTC

dalore wrote: post #323

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #108

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I'm guessing you don't know many folks who carry? Off-duty police, former military, parents and plumbers. Not a lot to fear. In fact lots of cases its been shown to be safer to have such folks around.

Safer only because the criminals also have guns. But not actually safer at all. I'd rather the UK where people don't carry. Much safer there. Just look at the number of gun deaths in the UK vs the US.

SO what replaces "gun deaths" in the UK? Bullying, physical violence? To call it 'safer' you'd have to talk about actual public safety, not just cherry-pick one stat.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by Karunamon » Thu, Oct 16, 2014, 1:45 PM UTC

nrinaudo wrote: post #321

Karunamon wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe less direct lying and more by omission, but the one I always think of is but one of her videos points out a few supposedly misogynistic portions in the Hitman series of games - while forgetting to mention that the game penalizes you for doing what she's complaining about. There are other instances of this kind of failure to research - see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwwFx-tz9TY&feature=share , starting at a…

Right, I see where we misunderstood each other. You're talking about conclusions she reached that are debatable - and, indeed, debated rather a lot. I also disagree with some of them, but don't feel that qualifies her as a liar, just someone with whom I don't agree on everything. Possibly even someone that sometimes uses hyperbole to make her points. I'm most likely guilty of the same sin myself and don't begrudge he…

In my mind, intellectual dishonesty equates to lying; especially considering how she absolutely refuses to accept any kind of criticism or address the very real and concrete problems with her conclusions.

Some of these things aren't "debatable", she's completely ignorant (either willfully or not is another question, and i'm leaning towards 'willful' due to either the total lack of response or personal attacks that anyone disagreeing with her gets) of information that completely invalidates her arguments.

And saying "well gamergate is worse" is just a cop-out.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by mcherm » Thu, Oct 16, 2014, 2:11 PM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #302

sixthhokage1 wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are doxing, harassing, and sending threats of various sorts in GG's name. All the cries of "false flag" are just making the movement look worse.

It doesn't even need to be a false flag. All it takes is one un-hinged idiot who thinks they're Doing The Right Thing, and by the standards that HN users apparently have, that's enough to discard the entire movement. Because, yknow, a group's most unhinged members only stand for the movement when it's GG, even when those members are denounced by everyone else, but that same standard doesn't apply to people on the oth…

You write (sarcastically): > a group's most unhinged members only stand for the movement when it's GG, even when those members are denounced by everyone else

I have missed the part where those members sending threats were "denounced by everyone else". (Certainly they have been denounced by a few.) Where are you seeing that?

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by ceejayoz » Thu, Oct 16, 2014, 2:45 PM UTC

imaginenore wrote: post #325

ceejayoz wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"She opened a Twitter notification in an incognito window soon after receiving it" is a pretty interesting definition of "quite a lot of evidence".

12 seconds after it was posted? I don't fall for that "explanation".

At this point, she likely has a pretty good routine for screenshotting death threats. Click the notification (OSX notifies me on an OS level immediately, and I personally typically click immediately if I'm at my computer), see it's nasty, Command+Shift+4. 12 seconds is entirely doable and feasible.