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Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by Karunamon »

nrinaudo wrote: post #207
Rubix117 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because lying about death threats causes more problems. I honestly can't believe people take this woman so seriously. As I have commented before she has been shown to be a liar. Nothing she says has any credibility.

I'm sorry, I've been following this story for a while and every single one of the instances where she has been accused of lying that I know of has been debunked. I'm not calling you a liar, merely asking for you to point me to what I've been missing. I run in circles that are pretty pro-sarkeesian and may have suffered from selection bias. Do note, however, that simply stating that she's a liar is not an actual proof…

Maybe less direct lying and more by omission, but the one I always think of is but one of her videos points out a few supposedly misogynistic portions in the Hitman series of games - while forgetting to mention that the game penalizes you for doing what she's complaining about.

There are other instances of this kind of failure to research - see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwwFx-tz9TY&feature=share, starting at about 5:33.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by ijk »

sb057 wrote: post #194
anon3d3c928 wrote: post #114

using a throwaway account because ppl could easily find my twitter, my company, and harass me all day about this (and probably would). GamerGate is very probably a hate group, with no other legitimate purpose. they're known to send people into forums like this to argue politely and coherently that the "movement" is 100% legitimate. typically the person who comes onto a site like this, to argue in that manner, also ma…

I think it should be noted that the article you linked to is published by Gawker Media, one of the companies at the center of this.

Would you prefer the New York Times?[1] Or maybe The Washington Post?[2] And let's not pretend that anyone has any evidence of actual problems at Gawker, only disproven accusations.

[1] http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/intel-pulls-ads-fro... [2] http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/10/...

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by sb057 »

ijk wrote: post #292
sb057 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it should be noted that the article you linked to is published by Gawker Media, one of the companies at the center of this.

Would you prefer the New York Times?[1] Or maybe The Washington Post?[2] And let's not pretend that anyone has any evidence of actual problems at Gawker, only disproven accusations. [1] http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/intel-pulls-ads-fro... [2] http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/10/...

Considering that those sites both have much more objective coverage, yes.

That being said, there is considerable evidence of corruption at Gawker.

http://www.historyofgamergate.com/kotaku-in-action.html

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by ijk »

sb057 wrote: post #293
ijk wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you prefer the New York Times?[1] Or maybe The Washington Post?[2] And let's not pretend that anyone has any evidence of actual problems at Gawker, only disproven accusations. [1] http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/intel-pulls-ads-fro... [2] http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/10/...

Considering that those sites both have much more objective coverage, yes. That being said, there is considerable evidence of corruption at Gawker. http://www.historyofgamergate.com/kotaku-in-action.html

There's no corruption on the part of Kotaku described at that link. None.

It's also excellent evidence that this is all about harassing Zoe Quinn and has nothing to do with ethics or journalism.

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Post by sb057 »

llamataboot wrote: post #185
iamdave wrote: post #162

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>Why is no one allowed to be critical of video games? There's a lot of vitriol going back and forth by both sides of this latest iteration of the 'Battle of the Sexes'. I think abstracting back, a lot of very good points are being brought up that need to be discussed (lots of bad ones too, in the interest of intellectual honesty). It's not until you get a bit more granular that ugly heads start to rear up and we ulti…

I'm sorry, but this is a false equivalence. On one side you have people literally threatening people with violence to the point of being forced to leave their homes, cancel speaking appearances, etc. On the other side, you have people pointing out this unfortunate fact.

>On the other side, you have people pointing out this unfortunate fact.

https://i.imgur.com/eUjdl5K.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzQqokICUAEyhWy.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzFBQrMIEAA487S.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bzko-VhIgAAX9WK.png

https://twitter.com/leighalexander/status/464779743175655425

https://twitter.com/Boogie2988/status/522156760623484928

It's ridiculous to say that that side is only "pointing out this unfortunate fact," especially after so many Gamergate supporters have denounced the doxxings and threats.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2jabgg/can_...

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Post by tptacek »

byerley wrote: post #287
ben0x539 wrote: post #276

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Really? $158k, minus kickstarter's cut, minus a bunch for the physical backer rewards, minus the production costs for the videos, probably minus some more for taxes, seems like that good a deal for a project that's been occupying years of her time already and basically forever ruined her ability to do things online without getting swarmed by abusive trolls? I think you're understating the effects of continuous harass…

So $159k - $16k (kickstarter cut) - 738 sticker packs ($2k?) - 216 postcards ($0.2k?) - 51 DVDs ($0.2k?) - production ($6k?) That's still $135k Seems like a pretty decent chunk of change (especially considering that she's still taking donations on http://www.feministfrequency.com/ and getting paid for speaking - both hinging on her continued relevance in the media) I also think you're forgetting that she can simply c…

I love Internet logic. "She can always just change identities online." The flip side of anonymity everywhere: nobody is actually entitled to their identity anymore. How utopian.

The idea that I'm supposed to find more credible those people comfortably hurling innuendo from anonymous hidey-holes, rather than a person who actually signs their name to what they write. I don't even know how to end the sentence.

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Post by [deleted] »

mason240 wrote: post #100
archagon wrote: post #50

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Give the Isometric podcast #18 a listen ( http://5by5.tv/isometric/18 ). It might change your mind. Also this: http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point Zoe Quinn tweeted today: "couldn't you just fucking not play my games . Fucking boycott me, don't work with me, just leave my dad alone". She got a dead squirrel in her mailbox a few days ago. Remember: she made a free indie game about depression and had a…

No, that is not all she did. She traded sexual favors for favorable game reviews for with multiple people. I don't want my daughter to grow up have to compete with people who use their bodies as something trade business favors for. Frankly is is disgusting that anyone would be supporting this kind of behavior.

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Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by ben246810 »

anon3d3c928 wrote: post #114

using a throwaway account because ppl could easily find my twitter, my company, and harass me all day about this (and probably would). GamerGate is very probably a hate group, with no other legitimate purpose. they're known to send people into forums like this to argue politely and coherently that the "movement" is 100% legitimate. typically the person who comes onto a site like this, to argue in that manner, also ma…

Yes clearly we hide in our rape caves and scheme in our Legion of Doom headquarters about which female dev to harass next.

Let's repeatedly ignore the countless people of every race, gender and creed who are sick of game journalists and instead focus on the bad apples within the group that GG has repeatedly reported and denounced because "they're all the same people." Then in the same breath claim you aren't responsible for the bad apples in your group who have done crap like send rape and death threats to Boogie's wife, doxx people and get people fired like one of the members of #notyourshield who was a genuine minority sick of having his racial background being used as ammo against gamers for somehow not being inclusive which is completely false.

Oh and FYI, people left 4chan and moved to 8chan because the talk was being censored just like everywhere else, they weren't banned.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by [deleted] »

mason240 wrote: post #100
archagon wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give the Isometric podcast #18 a listen ( http://5by5.tv/isometric/18 ). It might change your mind. Also this: http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point Zoe Quinn tweeted today: "couldn't you just fucking not play my games . Fucking boycott me, don't work with me, just leave my dad alone". She got a dead squirrel in her mailbox a few days ago. Remember: she made a free indie game about depression and had a…

No, that is not all she did. She traded sexual favors for favorable game reviews for with multiple people. I don't want my daughter to grow up have to compete with people who use their bodies as something trade business favors for. Frankly is is disgusting that anyone would be supporting this kind of behavior.

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Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by sixthhokage1 »

Karunamon wrote: post #289
_wdh wrote: post #70

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If there are no leaders and no control, then surely the GG movement can only be defined by what it does under it's banner and it can't in any sane way be called "level headed" or "balanced"? If there's no way to moderate the GG members beyond consensus then there isn't any organisation or even a coherent goal beyond attacking perceived threats. I'm not even sure what GG is trying to do by sending death threats to Ani…

Your first mistake is assuming that "GG is sending death threats". That is false.

People are doxing, harassing, and sending threats of various sorts in GG's name. All the cries of "false flag" are just making the movement look worse.
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