Android 5.0 Lollipop • Hacker News Board

Re: Android 5.0 Lollipop

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Post by freehunter » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:59 PM UTC

k-mcgrady wrote: post #3

So the Nexus 4, which is just under 2 years old, won't support Lollipop? Considering the device is from Google and not through a carrier I would expect better. No pricing on the Nexus 6 but I would expect it will cost a lot more than Nexus devices have in the past. And at only 1 inch less than their Nexus 7 tablet it seems ridiculously large. At what point is it a tablet that makes calls and not a phone? Nexus Player…

Am I missing something? The Nexus 4 certainly does appear to be supported.

Android 5.0 Lollipop, which comes on Nexus 6, Nexus 9 and Nexus Player, will also be available on Nexus 4, 5, 7, 10 and Google Play edition devices in the coming weeks.

Re: Android 5.0 Lollipop

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Post by moskie » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:59 PM UTC

[deleted] wrote: post #12

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I don't have personal experience with this, but my anecdotal observations of friends with iPhones is that installing the new version of iOS on devices ~2 years old just makes people want to ditch those old phones and get the new ones, because performance isn't good any more.

The conspiracy theorist voice in my head says this isn't a coincidence.

Re: Android 5.0 Lollipop

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Post by UnoriginalGuy » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:59 PM UTC

I am really curious to see if there will be noticeable "real world" battery life improvements. On paper they have done things which SHOULD give us improvements (ART, and "Project Volta" scheduling), however it remains to be seen just how well those theoreticals will translate into improvements on the ground.

I have read reports from people who have tried the developer preview, however their anecdotes vary so wildly (e.g. 10-60% improvements) it is hard to believe any of them. Need something more scientific than people's vague "I got more hours today than yesterday."

Re: Android 5.0 Lollipop

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Post by hooplarbazaar » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 5:00 PM UTC

swartkrans wrote: post #19

ZoFreX wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Nexus 4 has been nerfed since shortly after the Nexus 5 came out - just like the Galaxy Nexus was nerfed just after the Nexus 4 came out. Based on their history, a Nexus device needs to be replaced once its successor comes out, so it's not a big surprise (but still a shame) that the Nexus 4 won't support L.

As an aside, I don't think you are using the word "nerf" correctly here. "nerf" is a gaming term that means turning a powerful weapon into basically a nerf gun. It means to make something cause less damage or make something less dangerous. I'm not sure how the Nexus phones were ever causing damage to anyone. I think the terms you want are "made obsolete" or "planned obsolescence".

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nerf

To "nerf" means to weaken or make less dangerous. Google's forced obsolescence of Nexus devices is clearly making the devices weaker and less capable than they can be. I think the use of the word "nerf" was accurate and justified in this case.

Re: Android 5.0 Lollipop

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Post by spindritf » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 5:00 PM UTC

Motorola will also update their older phones to Lollipop. Including Moto X and G starting with the 1st gen.

http://motorola-blog.blogspot.com/2014/10/its-official-andro...

Re: Android 5.0 Lollipop

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Post by mmahemoff » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 5:02 PM UTC

valinor4 wrote: post #22

[deleted] wrote: post #12

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"Android 5.0 Lollipop, which comes on Nexus 6, Nexus 9 and Nexus Player, will also be available on Nexus 4, 5, 7, 10 and Google Play edition devices in the coming weeks." I don't understand why people keep saying that it won't come on Nexus 4.

Because Google updated the blog post.

Re: Android 5.0 Lollipop

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Post by eggoa » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 5:05 PM UTC

A guest user mode is a great idea. It would be nice to be able to lend someone my phone without effectively handing them the keys to my entire life.

Re: Android 5.0 Lollipop

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Post by eonwe » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 5:05 PM UTC

valinor4 wrote: post #22

[deleted] wrote: post #12

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"Android 5.0 Lollipop, which comes on Nexus 6, Nexus 9 and Nexus Player, will also be available on Nexus 4, 5, 7, 10 and Google Play edition devices in the coming weeks." I don't understand why people keep saying that it won't come on Nexus 4.

People keep saying that because an earlier version of the page did not include Nexus 4.

Re: Android 5.0 Lollipop

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Post by hooplarbazaar » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 5:07 PM UTC

moskie wrote: post #32

[deleted] wrote: post #12

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I don't have personal experience with this, but my anecdotal observations of friends with iPhones is that installing the new version of iOS on devices ~2 years old just makes people want to ditch those old phones and get the new ones, because performance isn't good any more. The conspiracy theorist voice in my head says this isn't a coincidence.

Most talk on the internet points to performance issues with iOS8 on the iPhone 4S, which is a 3 year old phone at this point.

On the iPhone 5, iOS 8 performance is brilliant, which it needs to be, because Apple are still selling the iPhone 5C.

When I see the Nexus 4 in public now, it's effectively a crippled phone.

With Apple you're getting 1-2 years extra, which probably makes it worth it over the lifetime of the device.

Re: Android 5.0 Lollipop

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Post by bergie » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 5:08 PM UTC

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #33

I am really curious to see if there will be noticeable "real world" battery life improvements. On paper they have done things which SHOULD give us improvements (ART, and "Project Volta" scheduling), however it remains to be seen just how well those theoreticals will translate into improvements on the ground. I have read reports from people who have tried the developer preview, however their anecdotes vary so wildly (…

Ars Technica reported pretty significant improvements http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/07/examining-project-vol...