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Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by hnha » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:20 PM UTC

mturmon wrote: post #13

Her video series, which you can see on YouTube, is actually quite good and well-researched. You might disagree with her conclusions (I agree with them) but even if you disagree, you have to admit she's done a lot of legwork.

no, they are not. She is cherry picking examples, sometimes twisting the truth so it fits her agenda. See the Hitman example where she portrays violence against women as integral part of the game while you are in fact punished by the game for doing so. She also never properly cites research (please point me that is not true). If her videos were well researched and fair, maybe there would have never such a shitstorm.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:20 PM UTC

retrocombine wrote: post #42

Karunamon wrote: post #27

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but in reality it seems to have largely become corrupted by misogyny and the like Not any more than you'll find idiots in any movement - I would liken them more to the vandals that presented themselves during Occupy Wall Street. I hang around the organizing points for the GamerGate stuff - people are remarkably level headed and respectful (and absolutely NOT driven by misogyny). There is no organized harassment happe…

Why are people promoting harassment and calling people cunts in your movement's name, then? That comes off as the opposite of level-headed and respectful. One rotten apple spoils the whole barrel.

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Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by metaphorm » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:20 PM UTC

there's a lot of really bad downvoting going on in this thread. how about you try to have a conversation with each other instead of trying to blanket censor people who you think have a different point of view?

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by dgabriel » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:21 PM UTC

mason240 wrote: post #100

archagon wrote: post #50

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Give the Isometric podcast #18 a listen ( http://5by5.tv/isometric/18 ). It might change your mind. Also this: http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point Zoe Quinn tweeted today: "couldn't you just fucking not play my games . Fucking boycott me, don't work with me, just leave my dad alone". She got a dead squirrel in her mailbox a few days ago. Remember: she made a free indie game about depression and had a…

No, that is not all she did. She traded sexual favors for favorable game reviews for with multiple people. I don't want my daughter to grow up have to compete with people who use their bodies as something trade business favors for. Frankly is is disgusting that anyone would be supporting this kind of behavior.

Which favorable game reviews? Can you link one where she slept with the reviewer and got a better review than you think she deserved?

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by oe » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:21 PM UTC

kawsper wrote: post #88

byerley wrote: post #78

Boy am I gonna regret this, I know these are polarizing issues, but please take a moment to consider the credibility of the individuals involved and their respective economic incentives. I think that, given objective consideration of the facts, it's clear that Anita Sarkeesian is intentionally fueling controversy for financial gain. Her claims of life-threatening danger have been repeatedly refuted by law enforcement…

I am a bit open minded to all of this, and I am trying to hear both sides in the debate. Some of the critique that she receives is good, and is asked by intelligent people. But then she goes on to this event and only answer the assholes and trolls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah8mhDW6Shs She would win a lot of respect to me if she answered some of the constructive critique rather than disabling comments on YouTub…

I don't understand why Youtube comments even exist. It's not a forum where you could have an intelligent discussion about a topic.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by hga » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:21 PM UTC

untog wrote: post #104

bitJericho wrote: post #93

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Yep, that sounds like normal fear-mongering to me.

Not really. Even trained police officers often hurt bystanders when firing their weapons: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooti... If a trained cop does it, I think it is legitimate to be concerned about a member of the public firing their weapon, no matter what their intent.

This is what happens when you extinguish a region's gun culture, as NY/NYC has done starting in 1911. You have "leaders" who both hate and don't understand guns and their use, outfit their men with poor tools (the infamous New York Trigger), and and those men's only experience with guns is very very limited training.

Turns out citizens legally carrying concealed have a much better record. Given how anti-gun the MSM is, do you doubt for a second that if citizens had comitted such an atrocity it wouldn't be nationwide, probably world wide screaming headlines?

Your concern is perhaps legitimate, but not after I point out the above.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by bvanslyke » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:21 PM UTC

hashberry wrote: post #74

mturmon wrote: post #13

Her video series, which you can see on YouTube, is actually quite good and well-researched. You might disagree with her conclusions (I agree with them) but even if you disagree, you have to admit she's done a lot of legwork.

It better be. She raised $158K on Kickstarter to make these YouTube videos. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-wom...

In case you (the reader of this comment) are interested in what kind of person it is that races to articles to post this tidbit, try taking a dive through his comment history.

> hashberry 235 days ago | link | parent | on: My children’s book on technology raised 100k withi...

> The presentation and video was amazing. I immediately fell in love with her. She smiles non-stop. She jumps around with giddy excitement in a cute little dress. She's the perfect manic pixie dream girl trope. I want her to have all my babies.

I know hashberry's too far gone to change his mind, but to anyone else reading, if you're hearing about Anita for the first time and are on the fence about what's going on, realize that there is an army of sexists who swarm to all women-in-tech articles to push the same talking points over and over.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by scarmig » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:21 PM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #108

kmfrk wrote: post #97

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Yep; it was not the massacre threat but the refusal to deny concealed carry that prompted Anita to cancel her event. The title implies a wrong causality like that. I can't imagine attending an event where people could carry concealed weapon, even as completely average dude.

I'm guessing you don't know many folks who carry? Off-duty police, former military, parents and plumbers. Not a lot to fear. In fact lots of cases its been shown to be safer to have such folks around.

Neither a gun nut or gun grabber, but do you have a cite for that?

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by comrh » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:21 PM UTC

Crito wrote: post #110

kmfrk wrote: post #97

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Yep; it was not the massacre threat but the refusal to deny concealed carry that prompted Anita to cancel her event. The title implies a wrong causality like that. I can't imagine attending an event where people could carry concealed weapon, even as completely average dude.

> I can't imagine attending an event where people could carry concealed weapon Have you ever been to America? If so, you have almost certainly already attended countless events where somebody in the audience had a gun. The staggering majority of the time there are no incidents, so it is easy to overlook this.

Really, really depends on the state. If from a May-Issue state there is a good chance the only interaction a person gets with someone carrying is the police.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by sixthhokage1 » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:22 PM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #27

JayOtter wrote: post #6

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She runs a show called 'Feminist Frequency', dedicated to calling out sexist tropes in video games (amongst other things). She appears to have become one of the enemies of the movement known as "#GamerGate". Proponents of the movement will tell you it's about ethics in game journalism, but in reality it seems to have largely become corrupted by misogyny and the like. Several female game developers and journalists hav…

but in reality it seems to have largely become corrupted by misogyny and the like Not any more than you'll find idiots in any movement - I would liken them more to the vandals that presented themselves during Occupy Wall Street. I hang around the organizing points for the GamerGate stuff - people are remarkably level headed and respectful (and absolutely NOT driven by misogyny). There is no organized harassment happe…

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