Web-Era Trade Schools, Feeding a Need for Code
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#2can anyone vouch for a UK-based equivalent of these?
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#3Reminds of the late 90's, early 2000 era, when every man off the street was doing mcse, cisco qualifications etc with the promise of highly paying jobs. Then a few years later there was gut of unemployed techies.
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#4Reminds of the late 90's, early 2000 era, when every man off the street was doing mcse, cisco qualifications etc with the promise of highly paying jobs. Then a few years later there was gut of unemployed techies.
Yup, I remember that clearly since I got my first job right after that dot com bust. It led to a mass exodus of the people who were in it for the money.
Re: Web-Era Trade Schools, Feeding a Need for Code
#5can anyone vouch for a UK-based equivalent of these?
I've done a full-time 5 day course at Steer on iOS and a 10-week evening course at General Assembly on Ruby. Both were useful, but IMO not worth the cost. I have friends who have completed the GA full-time bootcamp, and some who have done the Makers Academy one. MA seems to be better for helping you become a real software developer, rather than someone who knows a bit about apps.
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#6Reminds of the late 90's, early 2000 era, when every man off the street was doing mcse, cisco qualifications etc with the promise of highly paying jobs. Then a few years later there was gut of unemployed techies.
The thing about programmers though, is bad coders are actually job creators. Bad code bases require more and more resources to maintain (as entropy increases), until ultimately they hit that breaking point where you need to hire a bunch of contractors to rebuild it.
Good code bases are built in a way that you can pay down technical debt while enhancing the product.
I view programming as more of an art then a science, people can learn knowledge quickly, the internet is great at that... but talent/skill requires years of experience. Art requires practice.
The more schools like this are successful, the more job opportunities i'll have :D
(EDIT: I should clarify, I'm not implying that these places will churn out bad coders, just inexperienced ones)
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#7Reminds of the late 90's, early 2000 era, when every man off the street was doing mcse, cisco qualifications etc with the promise of highly paying jobs. Then a few years later there was gut of unemployed techies.
So basically the bad ones pay for the good ones? Codeception!
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#8Whenever I read about coding bootcamps I feel a tinge of worry that they might mean the end of the "good old days" for software developers. Do we expect that they'll have any tangible impact on the labor market by pumping out so many graduates with basic coding skills?
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#9Reminds of the late 90's, early 2000 era, when every man off the street was doing mcse, cisco qualifications etc with the promise of highly paying jobs. Then a few years later there was gut of unemployed techies.
I would think this is a bit different as these students come out creating things and in the process (hopefully) creating value for their company. They're becoming the people who enabled those certificates, and companies, to exist in the first place.
Whereas the certifications you described enabled a person to write reports, recommend products of a particular vendor, and maintain software/hardware configurations -- a job which is still being automated and taken over by developers without certification, particularly in smaller companies (devops).
Only time will tell though.
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#10My gut reaction is that these boot camps are fueling some employment at early-stage start-ups because the graduates are far less expensive than more seasoned developers and the code they write is probably okay enough for a short while. Why would larger tech companies hire from this pool? I would imagine that there are enough CS grads in the market for them already.
Does anyone here hire graduates from these schools? If so, what has been your experience? If not, why not?