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How do I pay my legal fees if my seized cash is being held in escrow?

You can't, and that is on purpose. You know, if you could pay your legal fees, so could a drug lord.

Even drug lords are innocent until proven guilty. Or are supposed to be, anyway. Except for treason, the Constitution doesn't distinguish between offenses charged.

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There is an amazing correlation between how much money police seize and what percentage of that money they can keep. The states that allow police to keep a high percentage of the money take in many millions per year, and the opposite is true when that percentage is low. California averaged 24 million in asset forfeiture per year between 2002-2008, after the feds took their 35% cut, in spite of offering better than av…

> With this in mind I've wondered what would happen if,say, 100% of the proceeds from asset forfeiture went to ALS. That would certainly reduce the problem, but the correct solution is to prevent assets from being seized without criminal charges and require them to be immediately returned without further proceedings if the government fails to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the assets are the proceeds of a crimi…

Good point. This has me thinking more about the root of the problem. It seems like the justification they use most of the time is related to drugs. Perhaps asset forfeiture is a another example of how the war on drugs undermines our civil liberties, and yet not even John Oliver has framed it that way.

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There is an amazing correlation between how much money police seize and what percentage of that money they can keep. The states that allow police to keep a high percentage of the money take in many millions per year, and the opposite is true when that percentage is low. California averaged 24 million in asset forfeiture per year between 2002-2008, after the feds took their 35% cut, in spite of offering better than av…

I don't quite understand why ALS is of such a priority that it would be given the funds from forfeiture; I think all cash should be returned to the federal reserve and all other goods put up for auction. But only if a crime has been proven to have occurred and a conviction to stand right beside it. And the DA's shouldn't be able to do this: "We've got you as the suspect for 7 different crimes, if you give us your hou…

That statement was made tongue in cheek, mostly to illustrate that 1) police are only protecting and and serving themselves when seizing our stuff and 2) removing the incentive would help reduce the problem (along with other points made by you and AnthonyMouse).

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Garnish their wages until they're just above the poverty line. And you could also repo/liquidate their house/cars/other assets. pstuart's pension fund idea is also a good idea. If really you want to grab the cops by their balls, just threaten to take their retirement savings. The downside is that you'd probably lose a lot of cops by instituting policies like this, so then you'd have to raise salaries or something to…

Honestly I think we need that anyways. The average police officer salary is massively lower than the average systems administrator salary (or at least that's what some cursory google research tells me). I'm no fan of police, but there is no way that's an acceptable situation.

Yeah, that's just asking for corruption. "The boss pretends to pay us and we pretend to work" is a situation you don't really want in the police.

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How do I pay my legal fees if my seized cash is being held in escrow?

You can't, and that is on purpose. You know, if you could pay your legal fees, so could a drug lord.

If a drug lord has massive amounts of money, that's just a sign the government has failed in its job to catch him earlier. They don't build up those reserves overnight. Why should the government be rewarded for failing in their job for so long?

But aside from that...so what? If the system allows pricey attorneys to subvert the system, the problem isn't the pricey attorneys...

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As a Canadian I would often take what people from the US say about police with a grain of salt but recently it's seems to have become much worse, even my own government has warned Canadians. I have to wonder though is this not just policy but also a cultural thing on the far-left side there's the 20-something Occupy 1%, pro-weed crowd is this the same thing only on the far-right? As far back as 1999 my first time to…

We live in a police state where the police are allowed to legally rob and even kill people. The sad part is that hiring "Sparkles the clown" actually makes people forget this and trust the police. Stupidity of the people is on par with the vileness of the police. You should consider yourself lucky that that is the only thing that happened to you, which BTW is standard procedure. I would say that's SOP only at the bor…

I don't think it was SOP, as you say, since I was about to go through when I casually mentioned to the guard at the booth a woman I know invited me to Thanksgiving dinner. It was the last question of a series of questions the guard asked me.

The guard at the border said "I think you're going to stay with her and not come back but there is nothing I can find that will prevent me from holding you."

I can't see what going through my entire car would accomplish I had one suitcase, which they took into the main building, and nothing else was in the car yet it took them an hour to search it.

Anyway a big FU to the St. Stephen border guards at the crossing in Maine. I honked to them as I drove back into Canada.

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We live in a police state where the police are allowed to legally rob and even kill people. The sad part is that hiring "Sparkles the clown" actually makes people forget this and trust the police. Stupidity of the people is on par with the vileness of the police. You should consider yourself lucky that that is the only thing that happened to you, which BTW is standard procedure. I would say that's SOP only at the bor…

I don't think it was SOP, as you say, since I was about to go through when I casually mentioned to the guard at the booth a woman I know invited me to Thanksgiving dinner. It was the last question of a series of questions the guard asked me. The guard at the border said "I think you're going to stay with her and not come back but there is nothing I can find that will prevent me from holding you." I can't see what goi…

It's very possible they just didn't like you and wanted to make your trip miserable. Or they were just hoping to find contraband, mainly drugs. Or they were bored. Or there was no reason. Who knows? From my experience and research, that is SOP for law enforcement in the US. If they can harass (or worse) you, they will.

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I don't think it was SOP, as you say, since I was about to go through when I casually mentioned to the guard at the booth a woman I know invited me to Thanksgiving dinner. It was the last question of a series of questions the guard asked me. The guard at the border said "I think you're going to stay with her and not come back but there is nothing I can find that will prevent me from holding you." I can't see what goi…

It's very possible they just didn't like you and wanted to make your trip miserable. Or they were just hoping to find contraband, mainly drugs. Or they were bored. Or there was no reason. Who knows? From my experience and research, that is SOP for law enforcement in the US. If they can harass (or worse) you, they will.

I'd agree, I got the guys working the Thanksgiving weekend and they were pissed, took it our on me.

I don't even fit into any often searched groups I'm a pasty white Canadian who speaks nothing but English. I'm so common and dull I could be a spy and blend in anywhere.

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