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Bicycle helmets do almost nothing to prevent concussions

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Re: Bicycle helmets do almost nothing to prevent concussions

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I wear a car. Much safer.

Safer for you perhaps (in "not getting run over" terms, not in "dying of obesity" terms). But certainly not safer for any pedestrians or cyclists on the road.

No doubt the parent point was about personal safety as well. After all the device only protects the rider.

Re: Bicycle helmets do almost nothing to prevent concussions

#82
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As a space for cycling campaigner ( http://www.cyclebath.org.uk ) helmet articles are an interesting problem that tend to identify cycling as a dangerous activity without extolling the health benefits of cycling itself. In places like New York, where their Citi Bike scheme has had huge success without helmets (23 million miles of riding, no deaths), utility cycling (commuting) has been made safe through a huge invest…

I live in the Melbourne CBD and have used the city cycle scheme. The problem isn't the scheme. It's the fact that it is downright suicidal to ride in many parts of the city. The cycling infrastructure e.g. dedicated lanes are inadequate, there are blind spots all over the place and car drivers are not taught from day one how to check for cyclists moving around them. I know people who have been crippled from cycling.

And you are being pretty ridiculous by mentioning the health benefits. Cycling without adequate infrastructure is dangerous. Much more dangerous than a bit of a cardio. It is far better for people's health to educate them to stand up and take a walk a few times a day.

Fix the infrastructure first. Then start encouraging the family to ride to work or school.

Re: Bicycle helmets do almost nothing to prevent concussions

#83
post #31

As a space for cycling campaigner ( http://www.cyclebath.org.uk ) helmet articles are an interesting problem that tend to identify cycling as a dangerous activity without extolling the health benefits of cycling itself. In places like New York, where their Citi Bike scheme has had huge success without helmets (23 million miles of riding, no deaths), utility cycling (commuting) has been made safe through a huge invest…

> Making people feel safe cycling to and from shops, homes, schools and their place of work. The real issue is actually making cyclist safer, not making them feel safer. Even segregated paths are not a solution if they have to cross traffic. I am not sure how to solve this problem short of pushing oil up to a $1000 a barrel - even then I suspect a lot of drivers would rather give up eating rather than give up their c…

I have seen dedicated cycling lanes being completely unused.

Why ? Because if they are improperly designed like say their design doesn't match up with roundabouts or crossings etc then it is actually more dangerous to use them. Likewise often the cycle lanes have drains which can catch tyres.

Re: Bicycle helmets do almost nothing to prevent concussions

#84

Discussions of cycle helmets are usually very one sided, focusing on head trauma and completely ignoring other kinds of trauma as well as the positive health effects of cycling. Wearing the helmet doesn't just add a certain amount of padding to the head without any negative side effects: For example, motorists keep less distance while overtaking you [1] and making helmets mandatory reduces cycling by up to a third [2…

I would say the reduction in cycling is a pretty significant effect. I love cycling, but I am far too scared (or wise) to ever consider riding on a street shared with cars and trucks. In the end if anything goes wrong the driver will feel sad and I won't feel anything.

I've been cycling in traffic for almost 3 years in a country with no bike lanes and pretty bad motorist behavior regarding cyclists. It was scary the first month, but then you get used to it and you learn a couple of rules that reduce your chances of getting into an accident significantly [1]

Learning these rules really makes all the difference. Would you prefer to get into an accident and not get killed (thanks to a helmet), or to significantly reduce your chances of getting into an accidents altogether?

A note on gear: get all the lights (front, back, laser lane) and reflectors (for individual spokes and tires too) that you can, set them up to blink, and use a bell and a mirror

[1]: http://bicyclesafe.com/

Re: Bicycle helmets do almost nothing to prevent concussions

#85
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As an avid, but fairly aggressive cyclist, I have gotten into a fair number of accidents. Some of the injuries sustained, and the ways in which other injuries would have been likely without a helmet in those situations, have convinced me that many of these studies don't take into account some very common situations in accidents. Direct head impacts are relatively uncommon, due to natural instincts to protect oneself.…

I am surprised people are so flippant about injuries to the head. How many times do we hear stories of people dying from being punched and hitting their head on the curb/ground ? Or the long term effects of concussion.

Helmets work. Governments around the world wouldn't be making them mandatory just to screw with people.

Re: Bicycle helmets do almost nothing to prevent concussions

#86

Being from Australia I can't fathom not wearing a helmet. Its like wearing a seat belt in the car, just something you don't notice doing anymore. Anyone who is discouraged from cycling due to having to wear a helmet would more than likely also be discouraged by many other reasons - bad drivers, bad weather, flat tire, etc.

I don't wear a helmet and I ride in downtown Toronto. Helmets save lives, but they also make motorist treat you differently. Also, they don't really save that many lives. Cycling without a helmet is safer than walking (kilometer for kilometer) and safer than being in the passenger seat while a new driver is driving.

> but [helmets] also make motorist treat you differently.

The biggest threats from cars in my experience is when the driver doesn't know you are there.

Re: Bicycle helmets do almost nothing to prevent concussions

#87
post #84

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I would say the reduction in cycling is a pretty significant effect. I love cycling, but I am far too scared (or wise) to ever consider riding on a street shared with cars and trucks. In the end if anything goes wrong the driver will feel sad and I won't feel anything.

I've been cycling in traffic for almost 3 years in a country with no bike lanes and pretty bad motorist behavior regarding cyclists. It was scary the first month, but then you get used to it and you learn a couple of rules that reduce your chances of getting into an accident significantly [1] Learning these rules really makes all the difference. Would you prefer to get into an accident and not get killed (thanks to a…

Please keep the blinking reasonable and non-distracting. A lot of cyclists where I am have what amount to high-powered strobe lights aimed at car-driver's faces. I've also been the victim of this while riding my bike down canal paths at night. It's no fun being completely blinded while a fellow cyclist zooms past.

Re: Bicycle helmets do almost nothing to prevent concussions

#88

I'll take a scientific study over a blog post, please. Or to be less glib, the statistics he quotes seems very open for interpretation. "Stat #3: As more people buckled on helmets, brain injuries also increased". Need I say it? I think we're all pretty post hoc ergo propter hoc'd out at this point

Stat #3 might derive from the fact that a person is more likely to survive a crash with a helmet on. If someone dies because they aren't wearing a helmet it will be reported as a death, but if they almost die and the helmet prevents death but they receive some brain damage then it will be reported as a brain injury.

Re: Bicycle helmets do almost nothing to prevent concussions

#89
post #72

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>especially the helmet opponents are usually very outspoken and even rude, to the point that they lose credibility They have to be, because they don't have budgets and per diems. The pro-helmet side makes a fortune from selling helmets. The anti-helmet side runs on passion - whether that passion is for the truth as they see it (or as experiment and study have shown), or simply 'government out of my cornflakes' libert…

The "pro helmet side" in Internet forums does not have "budgets".

The pro-helmet side in general has far louder bullhorns, regardless of what goes on in internet forums (which is one of the no-budget places you see anti-helmet people.) The anti-helmet people aren't passing laws and running public service messages on TV with their partially publicly-funded nonprofits.

Re: Bicycle helmets do almost nothing to prevent concussions

#90
post #37

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> The point is, helmets and cycling create flame wars The point is, you are very much involved in creating flame wars by labelling the pro side as people who only have their superstitial, anecdotal fairy tales, while saying the contra side has all the cold, hard scientific facts. Let's just leave it at that.

It's just an observation of fact. Facts are known to be biased. If there are studies that show the benefits of bicycle helmet wearing, I'd be interested in seeing them.

"[A]n emphasis on helmets reflects a seductively individualistic approach to risk management (or even “victim blaming”) while the real gains lie elsewhere."

http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f3817?ijkey=I5vHBog6FhaaL...

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