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40,000 suicides annually, yet America simply shrugs

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Re: 40,000 suicides annually, yet America simply shrugs

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> Each suicide costs society about $1 million in medical and lost-work expenses and emotionally victimizes an average of 10 other people. So... the 10 other people emotionally victimized is an average figure, but the $1 million in medical costs isn't? How does finding a dead body rack up any medical expenses?

Medical and lost work. 10 people who may take days of leave, 10+ person days lost for funeral, 1 person a company needs to replace.

Re: 40,000 suicides annually, yet America simply shrugs

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I probably have an unpopular opinion on this, but I feel that people who wish to commit suicide should not be prevented from doing so. By all means, if someone wants to get help or needs counseling they should be able to get it. But if in the end their choice is suicide, we should be making it easier for them, not harder. I think that if I ever wanted to commit suicide I would be less likely to seek counseling out of fear I would be "prevented" from making my own choices. Similarly, when an animal is critically injured we "put them out of their misery" because that's the "humane" thing to do. But us humans, we have to suffer to the very end. Why?

Re: 40,000 suicides annually, yet America simply shrugs

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I probably have an unpopular opinion on this, but I feel that people who wish to commit suicide should not be prevented from doing so. By all means, if someone wants to get help or needs counseling they should be able to get it. But if in the end their choice is suicide, we should be making it easier for them, not harder. I think that if I ever wanted to commit suicide I would be less likely to seek counseling out of…

You seem to be forgetting that for a lot of these people it wasn't really a choice. Their mind was malfunctioning and led them to do something they probably wouldn't have a few months later if they received the right help. Your argument about animals is more related to assisted dying/euthanasia which probably represents a very small number of these suicides and is a separate discussion I feel.

Re: 40,000 suicides annually, yet America simply shrugs

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Frankly, I'm surprized that this is seemingly the first mention of this...

"The Suicide Prevention Resource Center synthesized these studies and estimated that between 30 and 40% of LGBT youth, depending on age and sex groups, have attempted suicide."

Source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth

I hope I just missed the reference somewhere in the piece or these comments.

Re: 40,000 suicides annually, yet America simply shrugs

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I probably have an unpopular opinion on this, but I feel that people who wish to commit suicide should not be prevented from doing so. By all means, if someone wants to get help or needs counseling they should be able to get it. But if in the end their choice is suicide, we should be making it easier for them, not harder. I think that if I ever wanted to commit suicide I would be less likely to seek counseling out of…

But if your choices are because you suffer from a mental illness such as depression, should we as a society just "shrug" and say "Well, it's their choice, let them do whatever they want." ?

I don't think so - especially when a lot of times, due to their illness, they cannot make their own choice.

Re: 40,000 suicides annually, yet America simply shrugs

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I probably have an unpopular opinion on this, but I feel that people who wish to commit suicide should not be prevented from doing so. By all means, if someone wants to get help or needs counseling they should be able to get it. But if in the end their choice is suicide, we should be making it easier for them, not harder. I think that if I ever wanted to commit suicide I would be less likely to seek counseling out of…

If you're talking about people with terminal illnesses, then I completely agree. Otherwise, there needs to be a whole lot of counseling. Yes, its your decision, but everyone makes poor decisions, and this one is irreversible.

Re: 40,000 suicides annually, yet America simply shrugs

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I probably have an unpopular opinion on this, but I feel that people who wish to commit suicide should not be prevented from doing so. By all means, if someone wants to get help or needs counseling they should be able to get it. But if in the end their choice is suicide, we should be making it easier for them, not harder. I think that if I ever wanted to commit suicide I would be less likely to seek counseling out of…

I think the point is that "we" should try to prevent them from wishing to commit suicide.

Re: 40,000 suicides annually, yet America simply shrugs

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is all over the world. A large number of men are commuting suicide, mostly students and then married men. Yet if you look through pop media all you will see is how many women are 'attempting' suicide... :/

That is because men are seen as disposable, throughout the Western World. ~80% of those 40,000 suicides were men. I've a feeling if it were 80% female there would be a lot more attention given to it.

I found that 80% number strange and it seems the real numbers are much more complex than that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide

The entry paragraph gives a quick glimpse of the complexities but here's my attempt at a tl,dr of it:

- there are highly asymmetric rates of attempted and completed suicide between genders

- can vary significantly between different countries

- males die much more often by means of suicide than do females

- reported suicide attempts and thoughts are much more common among females than males

- females have a higher rate of attempted suicide than males earlier in life, which decreases with age

- for males the rate of attempted suicide remains fairly constant when controlled for age

- genders tend to differ in their methods of suicide and responses to suicidal feelings

Re: 40,000 suicides annually, yet America simply shrugs

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I probably have an unpopular opinion on this, but I feel that people who wish to commit suicide should not be prevented from doing so. By all means, if someone wants to get help or needs counseling they should be able to get it. But if in the end their choice is suicide, we should be making it easier for them, not harder. I think that if I ever wanted to commit suicide I would be less likely to seek counseling out of…

You need to educate yourself with the science of choice and what happens during depression that changes your ability to make right decisions. Assuming that a depressed person is able to make the right decision is just wrong. How many times did you decide on something and than changed your mind? only this one is irreversible. Depression is curable with right support and medication. There may be few who are hopeless cases but 40000 is a big number and I believe its preventable for good.

Re: 40,000 suicides annually, yet America simply shrugs

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I probably have an unpopular opinion on this, but I feel that people who wish to commit suicide should not be prevented from doing so. By all means, if someone wants to get help or needs counseling they should be able to get it. But if in the end their choice is suicide, we should be making it easier for them, not harder. I think that if I ever wanted to commit suicide I would be less likely to seek counseling out of…

But if your choices are because you suffer from a mental illness such as depression, should we as a society just "shrug" and say "Well, it's their choice, let them do whatever they want." ? I don't think so - especially when a lot of times, due to their illness, they cannot make their own choice.

The problem starts when you get into "is this a state of mind or an illness?" territory. I've heard the argument that people who have the wish to commit suicide are by definition mentally ill and should therefore be prevented from doing it even if we don't know which mental illness they suffer from.
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