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Amazon Must Be Stopped

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Re: Amazon Must Be Stopped

#11

It seems as though the author has a problem with capitalism and free markets in general. Yes, let's abolish capitalism, allow some central bureau to fix prices and use its power of violence over actors who don't comply. Oh wait... it was attempted 90 years ago and it didn't work out.

Are markets where one player enjoys a monopoly "free"?

> Oh wait... it was tried 90 years ago and it didn't work out.

Whether the current system is working is up for debate.

Re: Amazon Must Be Stopped

#12

Hmm, then we also need to stop Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Dropbox, TimeWarner Cable, military industrial complex, some big oil companies, a few hedge funds, a few banks, etc. Probably might as well call it quits with this whole capitalism thing. In all seriousness though why don't any of these articles ever address the underlying issue of why this stuff happens. If you have a certain kind of economic system then so…

that's why anti-trust laws exist. If we break them up as they grow, we still reap the benefits of economic growth without the dangers of the monopoly.

Re: Amazon Must Be Stopped

#13

Brilliant piece, also in comparison to Walmart: "Meanwhile, both companies have studiously avoided unionization and treat their workers miserably. In one famous incident, Amazon hired paramedics to revive heat-sick employees at a Pennsylvania warehouse rather than buy an air-conditioning unit."

I think that's a great reason to force them to indemnify their workers and ex-workers, and to provide safe working conditions. I don't see how it justifies breaking Amazon up. It's not like smaller firms don't often do the same - for example, the Chinese restaurant workers we read about just a few days ago weren't exactly hired by multinationals.

Re: Amazon Must Be Stopped

#14

It seems as though the author has a problem with capitalism and free markets in general. Yes, let's abolish capitalism, allow some central bureau to fix prices and use its power of violence over actors who don't comply. Oh wait... it was attempted 90 years ago and it didn't work out.

Not picking on you in particular you are just an example of an attitude which assumes that we either have complete freedom for businesses to do as they wish or (gasp!) "communism" with state control. The "law of the excluded middle" springs to mind.

There are plenty of examples of state regulation in the greater interest, pharmaceuticals being an obvious example, road safety another. It is not in the greater interest of society to allow businesses to trample over each other or to do as they wish.

Amazon is acting to the detriment of a large number of industries and ultimately to people in general by stifling competition and by being monopolistic and abusive.

Re: Amazon Must Be Stopped

#15

It seems as though the author has a problem with capitalism and free markets in general. Yes, let's abolish capitalism, allow some central bureau to fix prices and use its power of violence over actors who don't comply. Oh wait... it was attempted 90 years ago and it didn't work out.

If a single player can move the market, then it's not a free market. You can throw out all the theories about economic efficiency when we reach that point.

Re: Amazon Must Be Stopped

#16
post #5

>Amazon has left a trail of destruction—competitors undercut, suppliers squeezed... We normally call that progress. That "trail of destruction" is leaving money in the hands of millions of people who used to be captive to the local brick and mortar retailers.

Are those the same people whose jobs were lost due to Walmart and Amazon? Or who prefer to have a vibrant local downtown?

If you want a job, why not just dig a hole in the street and try to get paid for it?

That would not be different from keeping a job that is not needed anymore alive just for the sake of the job.

If you feel bad about Amazon, donate 10% of what you buy at Amazon to a "hole digger foundation" which pays people who lost their jobs because of Amazon to dig holes.

Re: Amazon Must Be Stopped

#17

Convenience, low prices, extensive catalogue, pleasent customer support, innovative products... Yes, we need to kill the beast. Maybe pander and bait some clicks in the meantime. I particularly liked the part where threatening Hachette's business is threatening democracy. What about shitty journalism? Seems like a much bigger threat to me.

> Convenience, low prices, extensive catalogue, pleasent customer support, innovative products... Yes, we need to kill the beast. Maybe pander and bait some clicks in the meantime.

Don't you think the article raises a number of valid points? While Hachette is little better than Amazon, having an effective monopoly on such a large market is definitely not healthy. The fact that they are exploiting their workers doesn't help.

Re: Amazon Must Be Stopped

#18
I shop at both Wal-Mart and Amazon, oddly both also benefit some smaller companies I purchase from. Wal-Mart shopping centers, at least near me, have all sorts of restaurants and specialty stores I like/use/need. Amazon's market place has let me source some products that were previously difficult to find elsewhere (Skyflakes crackers for one, many other items from that side of the world could be found but not consistently or for good pricing)

The book industry needs to change, I haven't come up against the dark side of Amazon's influence. I did watch for years when Apple and the publishers clearly broke the law and cheered when they got caught as I had seen prices for books I bought just sky rocket.

As for how their employees are treated or their "perceived" treatment, local employment laws cover those. Avoiding unionization is not a crime and should not be held against anyone. Much of retail outside of grocery is not unionized. When the same unions hire no benefit, no union, temps to protest tell me again how they are the good guys?

Re: Amazon Must Be Stopped

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post #4

Ain't Amazon unstoppable by now?

In some areas maybe. Seems newegg and Tiger Direct have similar prices still though for electronics. I wonder what the difference in sales volume is. What are newegg's logistics like, anyone know?

Re: Amazon Must Be Stopped

#20
At least for ebooks it recently occurred to me that it will probably be difficult for any ebook vendor to establish a monopoly. After all, everybody can just offer ebooks on their web site.
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