While we're playing word games...
"The fact that you got caught spying on everyone is making it harder for us to convince the world to hand over their personal data to us!"
Google’s Schmidt: Surveillance fears are ‘going to end up breaking the Internet’
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#12>"The simplest outcome is we're going to end up breaking the Internet," said Google's Schmidt. Foreign governments, he said, are "eventually going to say, we want our own Internet in our country because we want it to work our way, and we don't want the NSA and these other people in it." This age of Nation-States, and their private agents, attacking other countries companies through the internet reminds me of the age…
> This age of Nation-States, and their private agents, attacking other countries companies through the internet reminds me of the age of piracy in which nations employed privateers acting under a letter of marque to harass and destroy enemy commercial shipping interests. How does any nation think this is an acceptable non-warlike behavior to do allies and friendly nations?
It's an irrelevant question. They don't have to consider it acceptable--they do it because they can. The only reason nation-states don't engage in piracy anymore is because the major powers' domination of sea power has made it untenable. And the major powers don't do it, in turn, because they have more to gain from trade than from piracy.
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#13>"The simplest outcome is we're going to end up breaking the Internet," said Google's Schmidt. Foreign governments, he said, are "eventually going to say, we want our own Internet in our country because we want it to work our way, and we don't want the NSA and these other people in it." This age of Nation-States, and their private agents, attacking other countries companies through the internet reminds me of the age…
They think it's acceptable because they can get away with it.
We live in a nation of government and laws and it's so ingrained that it's hard to imagine any other way. But the international stage is pure anarchy. There's no authority, no meta-government, and all that guides behavior is precedent, promises, threats, and reactions. Countries will stop attacking each other through the internet the moment they think that they're better off that way, and not before.
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#14Schmidt did NOT say that surveillance fears are going to "end up breaking the internet." That is the Washington Post's misleading headline. He spoke more about the erosion of international trust because of American surveillance activities. To hear what Schmidt did say, watch the actual video. He starts talking at around the 21-minute point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-P4Q-M1tW8 The actual quote is at around 24:…
I guess I'm missing whatever distinction people are trying to make here.
He says he thinks that fears of surveillance will lead to the breakup of the internet. Which is what the headline says.
What am I missing here?
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#15How would things change if Schmidt held political office? What if all big time VCs we're politicians too. Basically, what I am wondering is whether this is a policy problem or a technology problem.
"With only a bare majority of Americans opposed to U.S. government anti-terrorism surveillance," it's first and foremost a political one [1]. [1] http://www.people-press.org/2013/07/26/few-see-adequate-limi...
More specifically, a public opinion problem.
Techies tend to think that the US government has gone rogue and is defying the people, who universally want to tone this stuff down. But really, the government is just responding to the will of the people here. Many Americans are terrified of terrorism and approve of these sorts of government efforts to fight it.
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#16What a pathetic farce. A bunch of feet stamping masquerading as actually giving a crap. Only interesting part is the Forrester study about potential revenue loss, which I can't imagine will be as much of a driving force as people think it should. And people like Merkel aren't who offer these seemingly poignant anecdotes, I'm sure they'd rather aid the competition to American companies more than actually effecting real change.
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#17It's funny because even though the headline is hyperbolic, I feel that it's not far from the truth... except it's not going to end up breaking the internet. The internet has been broken from the outset. It wasn't originally designed for high security, it was designed for collaboration and it's only as we start retrofitting security on top of it are we realizing just how inadequate it is. It just goes to show that when you leave security as an afterthought, this is what happens... so all those companies that are still designing software with security as an afterthought, take note - because you're walking down the same path. Security should be at the forefront of your mind with every development task you complete.
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#18Public Cloud runs because of Trust. If the trust is broken, then the future of public cloud services is uncertain. China effectively shut down most of the US cloud services. Who can say India and Russia will not do that in future.
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#19What's involved in say an alliance of nations (-USA) creating a 2nd Internet? Is it too hard. I know it won't stop surveillance but just wondering.
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#20Eric "if-you-nothing-to-hide" Schmidt slams NSA?
Year later and people still misquote that, you should look up the reality of your quote.